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Re:Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefo... by nradov on Friday October 12, 2018 @10:36AM (#18201693)
If targeting works then why do I keep seeing ads for products that I've already purchased and have no intention of buying again any time soon?
Re:Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefo... by stickfigure on Friday October 12, 2018 @11:54AM (#18202284)
It doesn't run on telepathy. Some people do rebuy those products. And maybe this is just the best ad (of nothing great) that happened to be available at the time.

If you want to have any idea of how well advertising works, you have to approach it from the perspective of an advertiser, not an ad target. Then you can get real data. You are a data point of one.

Re:Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefo... by nradov on Friday October 12, 2018 @05:09PM (#18204747)
I guarantee you that very few customers rebuy the exact same vacuum cleaner or pair of sunglasses within a matter of weeks. You would think that the advertisers would only show products that customers actually do rebuy, like dog food and toothpaste.
Re:Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefo... by TeMPOraL on Friday October 12, 2018 @01:39PM (#18203149)
I'd love to see that data, because my current pet theory is that adtech applies the same morals internally that they do externally - i.e. everyone tries to scam each other, pretending their tools work.
Re:Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefo... by stickfigure on Friday October 12, 2018 @04:10PM (#18204357)
The people buying Facebook ads know if they work. You can track customers through every click to the sale. You can experiment with $10 if you want. Try it.

I built a large print-on-demand apparel marketplace. Most of the sellers were driving traffic with facebook ads. It worked great. Unfortunately (for the sellers) so many people jumped into the game that they bid up the ad rates. Now Facebook makes most of the money in the tshirt business... but you can't say the system doesn't work.

Re:Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefo... by TeMPOraL on Saturday October 13, 2018 @01:00AM (#18206508)
> You can experiment with $10 if you want. Try it.

Guess what, I actually thought about doing that just "for science" - setting up some nonsense page, launching a $5-10 ad campaign, and seeing what happens. I.e. measuring the impulse response of the system, in a way.

To be clear, I source my distrust to adtech partly from personal experience as well. I worked at a company that also did social media marketing once, in particular it would run content marketing on Facebook for people. I had a first-hand look at "how the sausage is made", and my overall impression is: marketers having no clue about statistics dump some charts into a Word file and write a story about how that graph means things are great; customers having no more clue and no way to verify effectiveness believe that. Both sides are happy, and money changes hands.

Also funny you mention print-on-demand, for two reasons. One, I'm building a side project in this space right now. Two, print-on-demand apparel are the ads that are pissing me off the most right now on Facebook (in particular a certain company that's named after a game animal saying "hello" in Hawaiian).