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Re:Windows 10 October 2018 Update no longer deletes your data by jki275 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @07:56AM (#18192729)
Your explorer issue is Windows Defender's realtime protection. If you toggle it off you'll see the operation you're trying to run complete almost instantly.

I like Windows 10 and generally have been happy with it -- but that particular behavior has been driving me nuts for a while. They really need to fix it.

Re:Windows 10 October 2018 Update no longer deletes your data by userbinator on Thursday October 11, 2018 @08:02AM (#18192753)
"AV makes any computer slow" is still true. Scanning every file every time it's accessed simply can't take zero time.

"But think of the security!" they'll say... of course, it's always a tradeoff. I've experienced a similar problem with a large growing logfile --- appending becomes essentially quadratic, every time the process closes the log the AV opens and scans all of it.

Re:Windows 10 October 2018 Update no longer deletes your data by jki275 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @08:27AM (#18192894)
Exactly.

I first noticed it when I would open my downloads folder (because I'm a heathen and never clean it out), and it would sit there and "process" for fifteen minutes. Just clicking realtime protection off fixed it instantly -- but it would seem there's no need to re-scan every file every time a folder is opened, scan them when I click on them, or scan them when I try to open them, or scan them in the background while I still can interact with the folder. Being unresponsive is a cardinal sin for any UX, and that's where Apple shines and MS still continues to drop the ball.

Like I said, I really like Windows 10 -- but it really falls short here.

Re:Windows 10 October 2018 Update no longer deletes your data by m_mueller on Thursday October 11, 2018 @08:42AM (#18192989)
Oh god, that's exactly what I have. There's nothing we can do short of disabling defender? Are there AVs that are as secure and don't slow explorer down as much?
Re:Windows 10 October 2018 Update no longer deletes your data by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday October 11, 2018 @09:52AM (#18193514)
Defender is probably the least offensive AV in existence, sadly.

Frankly I think the entire concept of AV is bankrupt as it always causes many more problems than it is worth. Both false positives and false negatives are common. You shouldn't be afraid of running without Defender because, like all AV, it isn't very good at catching real threats anyway. If you really want to feel safe there are much better ways of doing that, like running untrusted programs in sandboxes or VMs, or using Software Restriction Policies to whitelist what can and cannot run. I haven't played with it at all, but there's even Controlled Folder Access to limit FS rights by application, which isn't a terrible idea given the era of crypto-ransomware.

Re:Windows 10 October 2018 Update no longer deletes your data by jki275 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:00AM (#18193571)
I ran without any AV for years and never had any issues. Intelligent web use is generally a better protectant than AV programs. I use Defender now, grudgingly.

As you say, CFA is probably the most useful part of Windows Defender. I was very glad to see that included.

Re:Windows 10 October 2018 Update no longer deletes your data by jki275 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @08:47AM (#18193017)
No, they're all horrible.
Re:Windows 10 October 2018 Update no longer deletes your data by m_mueller on Thursday October 11, 2018 @08:57AM (#18193091)
Why do they scan anything on folder-open anyway? Shouldn't it just do that on file creation/modification events?
Re:Windows 10 October 2018 Update no longer deletes your data by tomatotomato37 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @09:43AM (#18193439)
Presumbly there may have one time been some type of malware that executed through thumbnails with embedded data or some other type of convoluted nonsense that the scanners had to protect against. I think I'd rather take the risk of that though over the accumulated production loss of watching explorer hang for 5 seconds everytime I open a large folder
Re:Windows 10 October 2018 Update no longer deletes your data by jki275 on Thursday October 11, 2018 @10:08AM (#18193647)
That's accurate. And I will say that I've seen it hang for as long as fifteen minutes opening up my Downloads folder - which isn't all that big really.