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Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @08:46AM (#18184302)
I'm on the same page. The easiest thing to do once the collapse comes will be to give up and die instead of change - and maybe 80% is too conservative an estimate of the number of folks that will take this route.

Farming is more of a 'trickle petroleum into the ground and harvest crops'. Its one of the most efficient of technologies now. With good timing and no-till and ammonia fertilizer, even eroded clay hillsides produce bumper crops. It is a fragile technology tree but much simpler trees could be forged, having a good whack of the same benefits.

Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by TeMPOraL on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @08:52AM (#18184350)
RE the 80%, I expect the food shortage pressures to cause immediate wars that would quickly help shed the excess population. I fully expect to die in such a conflict (or be forced to eat a bullet to avoid the pain of starvation).

RE farming and other technology trees, it might be worth it to hedge our bets by trying to develop such simpler tech trees right now. In the worst case, we'd be making life much easier for the survivors. In the best case, maybe we could reapply some of those ideas to further reduce energy waste.

Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @09:16AM (#18184509)
Just come to my place in the country, here in Iowa. That's what all the family are expecting to do. It's our gathering place. Remote from centers of population, food production facilities and stores everywhere, inhospitable enough to discourage refugees (winter), personal firearm ownership the norm. And our family includes doctors, soldiers, farmers and managers. Kind of the perfect mix!
Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by TeMPOraL on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @09:32AM (#18184637)
Thanks :). Would love to come and help you fortify. Alas, it'll involve catching a flight from central Europe before shit hits the fan.
Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @09:52AM (#18184817)
All about the timing. Maybe make a dry run before it gets that far, work the kinks out? Honestly, you'd be welcome.
Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by TeMPOraL on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @10:04AM (#18184927)
I'd be happy to. Can you send me an e-mail?