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Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by jjeaff on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:06AM (#18183202)
Humans are the ultimate adapters. Heck, we can survive in the vacuum of space, the highest peaks and some of the lowest parts of the ocean. We live in deserts and rain forests and tundra and remote islands.

Humans will survive. They will adapt. It may not be in the same numbers and lifestyle as today, but the human race will likely be here for a very long time.

Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by TeMPOraL on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @08:13AM (#18184076)
Human societies can have individuals doing all that. Stable, large societies. The astronauts can survive in the vacuum of space because of technology, and they can get to space because of technology - technology that is backed by hundreds of thousands of people all across the greater economic machine that built the rocket and the space suits, and supplied and fed everyone involved.

As individuals, we're not much more interesting than any other animal. It's our technological civilization that makes us interesting in the grand scheme of things, and that civilization is both hard to bootstrap and extremely fragile.

Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by jjeaff on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @11:49AM (#18186022)
Without our technology, we can still run farther and longer than any other species, use our delicate fingers and opposable thumbs, control fire, and make and use tools and solve relatively complex puzzles. As a species, without our tech, we are head and shoulders above most species.
Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by TeMPOraL on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @01:37PM (#18187157)
Sort of. But fire and tools are technology, the very lowest tier. Our ability to stack technology, to use tools to build better tools, is what makes us interesting - as long as we actually make use of this ability.
Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by crispinb on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @04:19PM (#18188469)
> Humans are the ultimate adapters.

Well yes, nearly ('extreme' perhaps: 'ultimate' sounds a bit magical), but that's the problem. Darwinian evolution has created a creature than can avoid most sources of population limits that permit ecosystem stability. This same creature has the flexibility to repeat the trick in all regions on the planet, crashing one after another.

And then although our species is (for better or worse) remarkably resilient, agricultural civilisation is far too new to be able to make similar claims about it. The 21st century signs aren't good. It's hard to imagine major climate collapse convulsions not resulting in ongoing wars, probably nuclear.

So yes, literal extinction of humans doesn't seem likely. Some people may enjoy the idea of a dystopic 'The Road' style rag-tag dog-eat-dog existence (though they're probably mostly pale wormy teens who in real life panic when out of reach of a screen). But the breakdown of a planetary society of 7-12 billion (depending on how far into this process we can jury rig nations to hold together) is going to be nothing but a litany of sorrow & pain.

Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by jaakl on Thursday October 11, 2018 @06:19AM (#18192240)
Humans have survived fine these extremes only because there is normal ecosystem outside from it. Now imagine that after climate collapse the vacuum of space, top of the peak or bottom of the ocean is the only environment we have. You don't even have a single remote island with reasonable nature. No, humans will not survive it for long.
Re:Ask HN: What can be done to prevent a climate catastrophe? by loriverkutya on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @05:37AM (#18183313)
Humans cannot survive in the vacuum of space. Check the twin experiment NASA done lately.