Or maybe it was Rota again, who knows?
Edit: nope, Rota again. Lesson one in your link :)
his book on ODE is otherworldly
the quote maybe comes from his pde book
Unfortunately it seems to be more about the score than about the learning.
I found ODEs interesting only later when used in Linear Algebra, which could lead to differential algebra. But there are different approaches and not one is the true one, so what should an instructor do? You need calculus for ODEs, so much is true I guess.
Growth in hunter/food populations is interesting, too, plotting fox pop. over hare pop. Finally graphs can go in circles, not just in one direction along one axis.
Relevant to a recent Joe Rogan podcast with Neil Degrasse Tyson on how many teachers in your life inspired you. Not as much about the transfer of information, especially today, it's about the excitement and inspiration around the topics you are presenting.
Basically the equivalent of, if the course makes you feel good, then the course is good. Not something that I'd advocate.
By the way, a differential equation is simply an equation with a derivative in it. If you can't recognize that, then you didn't go far enough in math.
And I think it's evidence that the differential equations are not taught in a way that is beneficial for comp sci students (and other types of students too, but I can't speak to that). I took other classes that have not been applicable to my career after graduation - things like finite state machines, computability, and complexity theory. But I still remember a lot from those classes - due to their focus on fundamental ideas and proving things.
And of course my opinion is in the minority because nearly everybody under the sun complains about how useless college is and how things should be taught with more application without realizing that things are taught minus application for a reason (so that you can apply things generally instead of specifically) and that many of the hot technologies are just re-purposed PhD research.
Also, the effort many students give to college is less than average (at least from personal experience going through a private engineering school) and probably for most college students. So their complaints are really just the result of laziness and lack of responsibility more than anything.
A minority opinion does not make it invalid or worth less, unless you have evidence to discredit it.
My point wasn't that FSMs are useless. My point was that despite the fact that I personally have never needed to convert an NFA to a DFA in my professional career or program a turing machine, I still have a deep appreciation for those courses because they fundamentally changed the way I think about computation.
> I've also solved a complex logic problem a senior engineer couldn't solve by implementing K-maps.
While you are clearly very proud of this fact, I'm not sure why that's relevant here?
> everybody under the sun complains about how useless college is and how things should be taught with more application without realizing that things are taught minus application for a reason (so that you can apply things generally instead of specifically)
This is basically the exact opposite of my complaint. I was complaining that differential equation courses essentially focus on teaching a bag of tricks for solving specific types of equations. I'm sure that behind each of those tricks there is a very fascinating how and why that - upon deeper exploration - may have changed the way I think about numbers. But that certainly was not the focus of the class that I took.
> the effort many students give to college is less than average
So you're saying in a given population, many of its members will be less than average? Very insightful. If only I had gone further in math maybe I would be capable of such insights, too. :)
> So their complaints are really just the result of laziness and lack of responsibility more than anything.
Be careful with this line of thinking. You could say the same thing to discredit any attempt to improve the way a course is taught. But surely you must agree there is room for improvement, right?
> A minority opinion does not make it invalid or worth less, unless you have evidence to discredit it.
Given that you made no attempt to substantiate your opinion - it seems to me that the logical thing to do here is to side with the majority.
No, but your general point was that classes aren't taught in a beneficial manner, when in fact they are and are often directly applicable to what you're doing. It may be abstracted away to the point where you think you aren't using them, but you very much are. And this illustrates the point of not needing to know the how and why something works and why its often less beneficial to do so because knowing more detail often leads to more confusion.
>While you're clearly proud of this fact, I'm not sure why that's relevant here?
It was simply an example of a direct application of something I learned in college and is thus evidence that what you learn is useful and applicable. I mentioned that it helped a senior engineer because learning such abstractions can make experience irrelevant. You were the one that seemed to bring pride into the picture.
> This is basically the exact opposite of my complaint. I was complaining that differential equation courses essentially focus on teaching a bag of tricks for solving specific types of equations.
So why even mention that things like differential equations are taught in a inadequate manner?
> the effort many students give to college is less than average
Yes, its quite possible that student effort does not follow a normal distribution. All I can say is, from my experience, it was high. Do I have data to back this up? Not rigorously, but given the numerous complaints about how college isn't teaching things right and that professors and universities aren't stupid, I'm just assuming its lack of effort, priority, or skill.
>But surely you must agree there is room for improvement, right?
Be careful with this line of thinking. You could say the same thing to assume improvement must be made in the way a course is taught, when its really another factor that's the cause of peoples complaints that isn't mentioned (i.e. effort, professor, lack of skill, etc.)
> Given that you made no attempt to substantiate your opinion - it seems to me that the logical thing to do here is to side with the majority.
You haven't done the same either. And the most logical thing is to abstain from siding with any position until more evidence is present. After all, the majority of people believe in a religion as taught from selected texts, of which such texts have numerous factually incorrect statements in them.
10. TEACH CONCEPTS, NOT TRICKS
What can we expect students to get out of an elementary course in differential equations? I reject the “bag of tricks” answer to this question. A course taught as a bag of tricks is devoid of educational value. One year later, the students will forget the tricks, most of which are useless anyway. The bag of tricks mentality is, in my opinion, a defeatist mentality, and the justifications I have heard of it, citing poor preparation of the students, their unwillingness to learn, and the possibility of assigning clever problem sets, are lazy ways out.
In an elementary course in differential equations, students should learn a few basic concepts that they will remember for the rest of their lives, such as the universal occurrence of the exponential function, stability, the relationship between trajectories and integrals of systems, phase plane analysis, the manipulation of the Laplace transform, perhaps even the fascinating relationship between partial fraction decompositions and convolutions via Laplace transforms. Who cares whether the students become skilled at working out tricky problems? What matters is their getting a feeling for the importance of the subject, their coming out of the course with the conviction of the inevitability of differential equations, and with enhanced faith in the power of mathematics. These objectives are better achieved by stretching the students’ minds to the utmost limits of cultural breadth of which they are capable, and by pitching the material at a level that is just a little higher than they can reach.
We are kidding ourselves if we believe that the purpose of undergraduate teaching is the transmission of information. Information is an accidental feature of an elementary course in differential equations; such information can nowadays be gotten in much better ways than sitting in a classroom. A teacher of undergraduate courses belongs in a class with P.R. men, with entertainers, with propagandists, with preachers, with magicians, with gurus. Such a teacher will be successful if at the end of the course every one of his or her students feels they have taken “a good course,” even though they may not quite be able to pin down anything specific they have learned in the course.
https://web.williams.edu/Mathematics/lg5/Rota.pdf