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Re:The Japanese traffic light blues: Stop on red, go on what? by ankka on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @01:51AM (#18173617)
That's just fair - pedestrians aren't detected either
Re:The Japanese traffic light blues: Stop on red, go on what? by labster on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:18AM (#18173700)
Pedestrians have a button to press to let the signal know they exist. Until we invent car-hands, that seems equivalent enough.
Re:The Japanese traffic light blues: Stop on red, go on what? by rincebrain on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @03:26PM (#18179061)
In a number of those systems, the buttons are a placebo that are wired to nothing. [1] [2]

[1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/placebo-buttons-elevat...

[2] - https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/27/nyregion/for-exercise-in-...

Re:The Japanese traffic light blues: Stop on red, go on what? by laurieg on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @05:02AM (#18174329)
In Japan there is sometimes a button for cyclists/motorcycles to push to get the lughts to change. I assumed this was because there is a sensor in the road to detect cars, but now I'm not so sure.
Re:The Japanese traffic light blues: Stop on red, go on what? by jacoblambda on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @04:17AM (#18174153)
Not strictly true, a number of different traffic systems detect cars using detection methods such as cameras and radar/microwave.
Re:The Japanese traffic light blues: Stop on red, go on what? by kalleboo on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:32AM (#18173755)
Actually in Japan pedestrian sensors have been deployed. https://www.kyosan.co.jp/product/traffic04.html
Re:The Japanese traffic light blues: Stop on red, go on what? by jessriedel on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @01:52AM (#18173622)
If one set of people are waiting unnecessarily, we should make another set do so also?
Re:The Japanese traffic light blues: Stop on red, go on what? by flukus on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:17AM (#18173696)
If the pedestrian was about to get green (or blue) but a car was detected and the pedestrian was forced to wait then that's not fair is it?

We already prioritize cars enough, pedestrians usually have to press a button to trigger the crossing so they're always waiting but cars don't get punished for getting to the lights a second after the sequence starts.

Re:The Japanese traffic light blues: Stop on red, go on what? by ankka on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:47AM (#18173806)
Excactly.

Close to where I live there are a couple of funny examples:

In one place the lights are red by default for everyone. Cars are detected from 100m or so away, so they barely need to slow down. Pedestrians need to press a button and usually wait for a while.

At another crossing the lights are green by default for the bigger road. A sideroad has car-detection that is ofter rather quick. Pedestrians and cyclists need to press a button and usually wait for a long time.

Just because you don't sit in a car it's ok to wait that much longer.

Re:The Japanese traffic light blues: Stop on red, go on what? by jessriedel on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @09:12AM (#18175627)
A random pedestrian is just as likely to be helped by a light change as hurt by it. You provide an excellent example of motivated zero-sum reasoning though!