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Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by JumpCrisscross on Monday October 08, 2018 @11:23PM (#18173085)
Does anyone else get rubbed the wrong way by this sort of irreverent infringement? Even if you have zero concern for journalists’ copyrights, it puts this forum at risk.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by Senderman on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:21AM (#18173715)
Fair use exemption makes specific reference to "purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting" - those are just the first three listed, and all three apply to a HN post.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by abalone on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @04:23AM (#18174174)
This is a gross misrepresentation of fair use doctrine. Fair use requires a "transformation" of the work. It does not permit reproducing a work in its entirety without permission just so you can have a discussion about it.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by freehunter on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @01:13AM (#18173490)
If it put the forum at risk, they wouldn’t put the “web” link after the title of the post, which basically accomplishes the same thing. This kind of thing is officially sanctioned.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by waterhouse on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @12:03AM (#18173248)
Websites like WSJ manage to get listed high in the Google rankings by presenting the actual article, instead of a paywall, to the Googlebot and to requests with Google in the Referer field (as I understand it). I gather that they do the same thing to the Archive scraper. As far as I'm concerned, that's a cheap trick the website performs, and using a cheap trick to get around it seems fine to me.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by zukzuk on Monday October 08, 2018 @11:33PM (#18173123)
Nope
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by tomhoward on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:33AM (#18173756)
The other way of looking at it is that it can boost publication revenue and journalist income by driving more traffic to the publication than it would otherwise get, of which some may convert to subscriptions (if the publication can offer sufficient incentive).

Obviously, no user would be able to justify buying subscriptions to every publication linked from HN.

And if there was no paywall bypass, then HN couldn't link to it and it would get no HN traffic and no discussion on HN at all.

Allowing paywall bypass means the publication gets the HN traffic and discussion it wouldn't otherwise get, and the possibility of converting some of that traffic to subscribers who wouldn't otherwise subscribe.

For what it's worth, the owners/operators clearly don't think it puts this forum at risk, as the sharing of paywall bypass links is explicitly allowed/encouraged according to the guidelines and moderator comments.

And the very fact that the publications themselves allow bypass via certain referrers (e.g., Facebook) suggests they don't have a problem with it.

Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by masonic on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @09:02PM (#18181125)

  The other way of looking at it is that it can boost publication revenue... by driving more traffic
The same argument has been made in defense of software piracy for over a generation.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by tomhoward on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @10:21PM (#18181491)
Which is why the freemium model evolved.

But we’re not talking about piracy here. If the publishers thought of it that way they’d block all access to archive sites.

Anyway, rather than a snarky dismissal like this, do you have a constructive suggestion for a solution that works well for everyone?

If the answer is “no paywalled sites on HN ever” please say so.

But if you have a more nuanced suggestion that would be a huge help!

Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by ionised on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @08:48AM (#18184324)
Pirates of all media types tend to also buy legal media far, far more than people who never pirate.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by lucb1e on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:08AM (#18173665)
While I think posting paywalled links is basically advertisements and I therefore have no problem with people posting accessible versions, I am curious about the same question. I think the question about the legality is legit and shouldn't be downvoted (unless I'm misinterpreting the guidelines). Not sure I'll like the answer and potential new rule, though.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by nerdponx on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @08:45AM (#18175438)
In the United States I imagine WSJ would have to send a DMCA takedown request to archive.is.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by exodust on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:42AM (#18173781)
I'm not a regular reader of WSJ so why would I subscribe just to read one article?
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by ionised on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @08:47AM (#18184319)
Nope.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by EpicEng on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @12:21AM (#18173321)
Not I
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by enraged_camel on Monday October 08, 2018 @11:40PM (#18173161)
No I don’t, and no it doesn’t.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by hoseja on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:22AM (#18173720)
WSJ deserves zero respect.
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by tomohawk on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @04:45AM (#18174256)
Then don't read their articles
Re:Google Exposed User Data, Feared Repercussions of Disclos... by ionised on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @08:49AM (#18184335)
No.