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Re:I'm Just a Middle-Aged House Dad Addicted to Pot by anigbrowl on Monday October 08, 2018 @02:46AM (#18164689)
Actually, you're an asshole who likes pot and uses it as an excuse to behave badly. My drug use history reads like War and Peace and I don't have any aggressive or obnoxious episodes that I feel terrible about because I always considered that no matter what strange thing I put in my body I was responsible for for my own behavior, inebriated or not.

This person needs help, and the first thing they need to do is take responsibility for who they are.

Re:I'm Just a Middle-Aged House Dad Addicted to Pot by sdrothrock on Monday October 08, 2018 @03:20AM (#18164872)
> My drug use history reads like War and Peace

I'm curious about unpacking this since I actually read and enjoyed the book when I was in high school.

Which of the following are you saying? These choices are obviously not exclusive, but I'm curious about your original intent. :)

Your drug use history is:

1. Long (I think this is the most popular way to use War and Peace)

2. Boring (Probably the second most popular)

3. Violent (This is probably ruled out since you said you don't have any aggressive episodes [that you feel terrible about])

4. Characterized by peaks and lulls in use

5. Cryptic

6. Other?

Re:I'm Just a Middle-Aged House Dad Addicted to Pot by anigbrowl on Monday October 08, 2018 @02:43PM (#18170126)
1 & 4, perhaps 2 as well (although I find W&P an enjoyable read). I've never gotten into a fight or anything similar under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
Re:I'm Just a Middle-Aged House Dad Addicted to Pot by vonseel on Monday October 08, 2018 @03:56AM (#18165132)
Probably 1,3, and 4.
Re:I'm Just a Middle-Aged House Dad Addicted to Pot by asveikau on Monday October 08, 2018 @03:07AM (#18164801)
He mentions depression. Some of those negative behaviors can also come from that. If that is a factor I think it's much more complicated than "taking responsibility".

He's very publicly being honest with some flaws, I don't think it's right to call him an asshole over it.

Re:I'm Just a Middle-Aged House Dad Addicted to Pot by anigbrowl on Monday October 08, 2018 @02:48PM (#18170171)
Noted, and this is also something where I have a lot of first hand experience. Mental illness can be a valid excuse when someone is suffering from delusions but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
Re:I'm Just a Middle-Aged House Dad Addicted to Pot by xelxebar on Monday October 08, 2018 @05:55AM (#18165929)
> ... the first thing they need to do is take responsibility for who they are.

Actually, you might want to look in the mirror a bit, buddy.

I'd have agreed with your sentiment in the past, but now it reads as pretty self-righteous. Defining a person by some subset of their behavior is a specific, moral judgement not a factual description.

For a lot of people experiencing depression, it's exactly the kind of 'advice' that's likely to ramp up feelings of worthlessness and suicidal thoughts.

Personally, I find it more empathic and relevant to affirm the person and judge the consequences of an action.

Re:I'm Just a Middle-Aged House Dad Addicted to Pot by anigbrowl on Monday October 08, 2018 @03:10PM (#18170355)
Mental illness, just like drug use, is no excuse for poor behavior unless someone is subject to actual delusions. I'm not blaming him for having a substance abuse problem or wasting his life, I fel plenty of empathy for those issues. It's the violent aggression toward other people that I take issue with.
Re:I'm Just a Middle-Aged House Dad Addicted to Pot by xelxebar on Wednesday October 10, 2018 @09:13PM (#18190338)
Thanks for the reply. I think we're sort of on the same page, at least with respect to opposing Neal's violent behavior

What I take issue with and find counter-productive is comingling the judgement of a person with the judgement of their (circumstantial) behavior.

I'm guessing that your original post was a strong reaction against the violence, but I also feel there's room to accept the person while still rejecting their behavior.

Anyway, cheers. Hope you have a good day.

Re:I'm Just a Middle-Aged House Dad Addicted to Pot by vonseel on Monday October 08, 2018 @03:58AM (#18165149)
Agreed the behavior mentioned at the beginning of the article sound like stuff someone would do on Alcohol, not MJ.

Getting in fights and acting obnoxious are not typical behaviors.

Re:I'm Just a Middle-Aged House Dad Addicted to Pot by AstralStorm on Monday October 08, 2018 @04:32AM (#18165359)
He seems to have some underlying personality disorder that is not helped by pot. For some, marijuana causes alcohol-like disinhibition. Typically manifests as laughter or risk taking, it is kind of rare.

(In as much as that can be diagnosed from a bit of text.)