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Re:Charles Darwin: Genius or Plodder? by whatshisface on Sunday October 07, 2018 @01:34AM (#18158992)
>the media tends to declare someone a genius if his work cannot be understood by laymen

That's not particularly true. I don't think there is a single mathematician whose papers are understandable to laypeople (by laypeople, I mean the average person, who remembers some but not all of highschool math). What's really going on here is that Einstein made a tremendous contribution to a tower that was already quite tall, while Darwin's contribution was to the ground floor where everybody could get on. The maths analogy to Darwin would be one of the inventors of Algebra - evolution is taught to children right along with the foundations of math and physics.

Re:Charles Darwin: Genius or Plodder? by 11235813213455 on Sunday October 07, 2018 @02:28AM (#18159131)
Not always understandable by Einstein itself, he got helped by his mathematician friends, like Levi Civita
Re:Charles Darwin: Genius or Plodder? by nyc111 on Sunday October 07, 2018 @02:51AM (#18159198)
True. And also he got mathematical help from Marcel Grossmann. Poincare too was doing work on the theory of relativity.

Also one of the selling points of relativity in the early days was the difficulty of its math. I think it was Eddington who said that "only three people understood General Relativity."

Re:Charles Darwin: Genius or Plodder? by nyc111 on Sunday October 07, 2018 @02:44AM (#18159175)
>Einstein made a tremendous contribution to a tower that was already quite tall, while Darwin's contribution was to the ground floor where everybody could get on.

I see your point, but if Darwin created a new field but Einstein contributed to an existing field, Darwin ought to be considered a greater genius. (Personally, I think it is better not to define anyone as a genius so that we can continue to evaluate their work critically.)

I'm saying that we value things we don't understand more than things we do understand.

Re:Charles Darwin: Genius or Plodder? by zaphirplane on Sunday October 07, 2018 @06:48PM (#18163047)
After evaluating their work if deemed so declare them a genius. Some would say that’s already happened
Re:Charles Darwin: Genius or Plodder? by Reelin on Sunday October 07, 2018 @02:51AM (#18159195)
> That's not particularly true. I don't think there is a single mathematician whose papers are understandable to laypeople

I suspect that the media would indeed portray most mathematicians as geniuses, though. In fact most laypeople I know would agree that they were, and I know some fairly well educated laypeople in my opinion.

By mathematician, I mean a publishing academic with a PhD in math (or some rough equivalent to that).

Re:Charles Darwin: Genius or Plodder? by nyc111 on Sunday October 07, 2018 @02:55AM (#18159209)
I wonder why. Is this an institutional habit? Or because mathematicians' work is mysterious to lay people?
Re:Charles Darwin: Genius or Plodder? by Reelin on Sunday October 07, 2018 @03:05AM (#18159231)
The second I strongly suspect. After all, sufficiently advanced technology (or whatever else really) is indistinguishable from magic.