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Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by bliblah on Friday October 05, 2018 @02:59PM (#18150777)
I think this is the issue; at least in the U.S. EVERYTHING is becoming more politicized no matter how inane.

You are also EXPECTED to have a binary opinion on all these issues with no room for differing opinions.

Look at the NFL protests during the anthem. Kneel and you are a bleeding heart liberal that hates the cops. Stand and you are a red hat conservative promoting police brutality and the Private Prison Complex.

Every day there's a new outrage that somehow splits up the community down party lines.

Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by hnruss on Friday October 05, 2018 @03:14PM (#18150927)
It's classic divide and conquer. The ultra rich have framed politics as red vs. blue, when in reality it has always been (and always will be): them vs. the rest of us.
Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by chasd00 on Friday October 05, 2018 @04:04PM (#18151259)
i remember during the financial crisis thinking if only the tea party and the occupy crowd realized they were two sides to the same coin maybe something great could have happened. I feel like that dawned on the powers-that-be and the old divide and conquer technique was quickly applied; tea party turned far right, occupy turned far left and they've been fighting ever sense.
Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by longerthoughts on Friday October 05, 2018 @04:53PM (#18151649)
It's eerily similar to the Machiavellian approach to alliances. Something along the lines of joining forces only with those who are weaker than you but can be used to amass power against your greatest threats. In the context of the examples you provided: major party identifies small group making noise, major party aligns themselves with that group, major party exploits that group as tool against opposing major party, major party under no obligation to truly pursue agenda of absorbed group due to relative power.
Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by chrisco255 on Friday October 05, 2018 @04:56PM (#18151678)
They definitely had the same spirit and were pissed off about many of the same things, but they differed drastically on the solutions...
Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by ppseafield on Saturday October 06, 2018 @04:31AM (#18154173)
The Tea Party was funded by the Koch brothers.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/13/tea-party-bill...

Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by refurb on Friday October 05, 2018 @03:51PM (#18151160)
I blame the media. They only ever cover the most extreme viewpoints. They wouldn't get clicks otherwise if an article was titled "Voter aren't sure what to make of the Supreme Court nominee".

I've overheard a few conversations of my coworkers (yes, anecdote) about the whole Kavanaugh debate and pretty much every one of them was pretty common sense (e.g. not sure if I believe her, but Kavanugh certainly sounds like he isn't an angel).

Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by oldsklgdfth on Friday October 05, 2018 @04:01PM (#18151231)
I would go one step further and say that I blame the medium.

TV and visual information mediums are very effective at promoting emotions, but make it very difficult to convey rational arguments and thoughts. Notice how easily you can be distracted by the appearance of the messenger and not pay attention to the message itself.

There is a very good book on this called "Amusing ourselves to death", by Neil Postman. He wrote this in 1985 and he was far ahead of his time.

Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by debaserab2 on Friday October 05, 2018 @03:58PM (#18151213)
You could take that a step further and blame media consumers then - the media promotes the stories that bring in ad revenue more than others.
Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by longerthoughts on Friday October 05, 2018 @04:23PM (#18151413)
Yes. Seems far more plausible that the media is a reflection of human nature than that the media has reshaped the way people think.
Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by simplify on Friday October 05, 2018 @05:45PM (#18151985)
Media is not merely a reflection, but a perpetuator of extremes. If everyone stopped using media, there would still be extremist, but they would be so far distant we wouldn't think of them or their ideas.

Here's a great interactive explanation of how this works: https://ncase.itch.io/wbwwb

Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by longerthoughts on Friday October 05, 2018 @06:02PM (#18152099)
Absolutely, only meant to point out that the media brings out the worst that is already in us rather than corrupting otherwise civil beings.

To speak even more generally, humans make tools that amplify our impact. Some of those tools make us better at being terrible, some make us better at being clever, some do both.

Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by slg on Friday October 05, 2018 @04:46PM (#18151608)
And Twitter is part of the media and has helped shape nearly all other forms of media. That brings us back to the subject of this post.
Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by evan_ on Friday October 05, 2018 @04:37PM (#18151538)
> Stand and you are a red hat conservative promoting police brutality and the Private Prison Complex.

Nobody is saying this

Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by rexpop on Friday October 05, 2018 @04:52PM (#18151643)
I am saying this. There's no reason for anyone to stand for the national anthem, these days. Women should be kneeling in protest, men should be kneeling in solidarity.
Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by disgruntledphd2 on Friday October 05, 2018 @06:49PM (#18152349)
I think you may just have confirmed GP's point.
Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by clairity on Friday October 05, 2018 @03:14PM (#18150925)
then just say no. stop falling for the partisan trap and assert your right to have an opinion disconnected from a political identity (even if that opinion more-or-less falls in line with one of those parties).
Re:How Twitter poisoned politics by jonny_eh on Friday October 05, 2018 @04:10PM (#18151308)
Who said that standing means you're a MAGA supporter? That sounds like a straw man to me.