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Re:Joe Hewitt: Android and Open Source by pkaler on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @08:32PM (#1813757)
To expand on my point from last time:

Android source code is licensed under the GPL and Apache licenses and therefore the source code is open for developers.

The Android project isn't really developed in the open therefore the process is closed for most developers.

Most Android hardware is carrier locked, has proprietary firmware, or has proprietary services loaded on top and therefore is closed for users.

Re:Joe Hewitt: Android and Open Source by kenjackson on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @09:31PM (#1813891)
"Most Android hardware is carrier locked, has proprietary firmware, or has proprietary services loaded on top and therefore is closed for users."

Does Android mandate this or can you go and create a phone that has none of the carrier restrictions you noted? I think you can.

Re:Joe Hewitt: Android and Open Source by m0nastic on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @09:49PM (#1813930)
all Android phones have three sets of restrictions:

1.) Restrictions imposed by Google, which you are free to ignore if you stick to just the released source code of Android (like the Market or their proprietary apps) 2.) Restrictions imposed by the Manufacturer (which you could ignore by making your own phone) 3.) Restrictions imposed by the Carrier (which you can presumably ignore if you make an unlocked GSM phone).

Working outside of all three of those restrictions would basically put you in the same category as OpenMoko (which while an enterprising idea was pretty much guaranteed to not go anywhere).

So I'd agree, "you" can go create a phone without any of the carrier restrictions, provided you are a handset manufacturer. I'm not a handset manufacturer, so I can't.

Re:Joe Hewitt: Android and Open Source by eli on Thursday October 21, 2010 @01:01AM (#1814351)
Huh? If you want a phone without carrier restrictions, you just need to buy it somewhere else.

It's not cheap, but it's very easy. See, for example, http://www.htcphonestore.com/

Re:Joe Hewitt: Android and Open Source by m0nastic on Thursday October 21, 2010 @01:45AM (#1814432)
I was actually referring to making a phone, not buying one; but I thanks for the link. It could come in handy if I need a phone for development.
Re:Joe Hewitt: Android and Open Source by slantyyz on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @10:12PM (#1813985)
But what of those "Chinese Android" phones I hear about? That they're based on Android but aren't officially Android?
Re:Joe Hewitt: Android and Open Source by m0nastic on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @10:20PM (#1814013)
As far as I know, any phone that runs Android is "Officially Android", of which there are a number of Chinese handset manufacturers making handsets.

Many of them don't have access to the Market, or run Google's applications, but I don't think that makes them "not officially Android".

Re:Joe Hewitt: Android and Open Source by skybrian on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @10:17PM (#1814004)
You can buy a developer phone. However, I'm not sure you can get one for any carrier.