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Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by avn2109 on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @12:18PM (#18131777)
>> "...I just switched from a Surface Book to a Macbook Pro and the mac is a huge improvement, both from a hardware and OS perspective."

Can the MS hardware run Linux without me doing a bunch of work with drivers etc?

Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by e12e on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @02:59PM (#18133614)
I've still not gotten Linux to work well on my surface pro 4. There are some out of tree patches - but there's no fixing the poor wireless hw (well, you could use an USB dongle). In fairness wireless is flaky in win10 too on these.

But Linux does work - I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 with a custom kernel - display is pretty - pen is so-so under Linux.

I was hoping to use it w dark table and a couple of drawing programs under Linux - but so far I've never gotten it to the quite "just works" point (compared to say, a refurbished ThinkPad).

Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by Someone1234 on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @12:46PM (#18132108)
Isn't it up to Linux Distro's and hardware OEMs (Intel, Nvidia, etc) to make sure you have a smooth experience? Microsoft doesn't block you from installing Linux on their hardware, just as Apple doesn't, but in both cases neither Microsoft nor Apple do much to support Linux.
Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by stephenr on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @12:51PM (#18132165)
I believe the point of the question was to ask if drivers are readily available for the specific combination of hardware Microsoft uses, not to imply that Microsoft should support it.
Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by Someone1234 on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @12:54PM (#18132218)
Sorry, I misunderstood.

In answer to that question: I'd stay well away from the Surface Book if you want to run Linux, too many proprietary "magic" drivers for the screen disconnection functionality.

The Surface Laptop uses fairly off-the-shelf hardware (shared by other ultra-portables) and you will *likely have a better overall experience.

Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by darzu on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @12:21PM (#18131812)
I don't have experience doing a native Linux install on the Surface Book, but I use(d) VirtualBox and use Linux every day for development (on Surface Book and Mac). With virtualization technology being as advanced as it is, I don't think there is any appreciable performance difference to a native install assuming you have enough RAM for the extra OS.
Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by EpicEng on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @12:33PM (#18131943)
Going the other way (Win10 on osx via VMWare) was horrible. Completely unusable. Windows was so slow I just couldn't get anything done.
Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by Shorel on Saturday October 06, 2018 @02:45PM (#18156588)
Virtualization technology is advanced but not perfect. Some of my own programs are 2 or 3 times slower doing CPU stuff under virtualization than under the raw machine.
Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by lostapathy on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @12:39PM (#18132009)
Unless ... you want to share a filesystem between the windows host and the vbox guest. In which case performance is god awful.
Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by e12e on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @03:00PM (#18133629)
From host to guest network filesytems (cifs/samba) should be OK?
Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by lostapathy on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @04:07PM (#18134333)
Depends what you're doing, honestly. Some software won't tolerate running off a network mount at all for various reasons, if so you're sunk.

Some is just slow because it's inefficient. It's been a while since I had to resort to this, but accessing a big svn checkout over cifs is so slow as to be useless.

Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by throwaway2048 on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @12:27PM (#18131866)
anything involving the GPU (including desktop environment compositing) is dreadfully slow in a VM.
Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by darzu on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @12:31PM (#18131913)
Really? Did you check the "Enable 3D acceleration" checkbox in Virtual Box?
Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by vetinari on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @01:11PM (#18132377)
Try running a live distribution on bare metal. The performance difference is night and day.
Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by nine_k on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @12:51PM (#18132171)
I did, and it helped the speed.

But is was plenty buggy, so much that I had to switch it off.

Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by throwaway2048 on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @12:47PM (#18132126)
Its buggy, extremely feature limited, and slow.
Re:Microsoft now has the best hardware lineup in the industry by Bedon292 on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @01:57PM (#18132822)
There is Windows Subsystem for Linux, which actually works quite well.