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Re:Intel ME Manufacturing Mode: obscured dangers and MacBook... by userbinator on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @08:33PM (#18126815)
In other words, this vulnerability is "the insecurity that gives us freedom"? That's what it looks like from a quick scan through the article, and if that's the case this is yet another sad instance where the authoritarian "security" community is openly hostile against user freedom.

On that moral point, a relevant comment I made on an article recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18102434 Anyone who is actively finding and closing local-only "exploits" for ME, ones which require root access in the first place, is being actively user-hostile.

Re:Intel ME Manufacturing Mode: obscured dangers and MacBook... by jarfil on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @09:49PM (#18127088)
"Freedom or persistent compromise" depending on whether it's the rightful owner or an attacker using the exploit. The most user-hostile part is forcing users to choose between accepting an OEM locked down platform, or running an open platform that an attacker can permanently lock down.
Re:Intel ME Manufacturing Mode: obscured dangers and MacBook... by Reelin on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @11:04PM (#18127360)
I'd happily pick the third option of running a platform locked down by me, the hardware purchaser, if it were ever made available to the general market. I have absolutely no objection to locked down hardware or DRM-like protections so long as the devices and software I'm using and installing obey me and only me.
Re:Intel ME Manufacturing Mode: obscured dangers and MacBook... by codedokode on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @01:39AM (#18127863)
I think DRM means that you cannot control the platform completely.
Re:Intel ME Manufacturing Mode: obscured dangers and MacBook... by Reelin on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @02:13AM (#18127979)
Agreed, but I wasn't sure how to describe software that attempts to tightly restrict user actions, protect content streams, etc other than as DRM-like. Perhaps just "secure"? Someone controls the platform, and others (users, guests, adversaries, whoever) don't - I just want to be that someone if it's my device.
Re:Intel ME Manufacturing Mode: obscured dangers and MacBook... by jcoffland on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @11:05PM (#18127369)
> The most user-hostile part is forcing users to choose between accepting an OEM locked down platform, or running an open platform that an attacker can permanently lock down.

That is flawed logic. The article demonstrates that the OEM version is insecure. Why would you assume that the open version would be more vulnerable to attackers?