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Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by HillaryBriss on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @07:57PM (#18126666)
> Freelancers are competing not just within their town, not just with in their state, but are completing globally, and there's just huge global pressures on the amount that they can earn...

bingo. for a piece of work that can be well specified, separated out from the main workflow and then farmed out, it's natural, in today's world, for the customer to open the field globally. a little too natural.

so, the US freelancer is left asking the question: how can I compete with wages set at the global standard of living, including currency exchange differences?

there doesn't seem to be a good answer.

Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by gk1 on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @08:35PM (#18126825)
The answer is to stop offering a commodity and start offering something that's unique and valuable. See Patrick McKenzie's epic post: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2011/10/28/dont-call-yourself-a-pr...
Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by HillaryBriss on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @11:49PM (#18127500)
excellent. thank you.
Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by mistersquid on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @08:41PM (#18126846)
I'm currently working as a subcontractor for a friend's consultancy. For the better part of the last decade, that consultancy relied on remote workers (outside the US) to generate margin.

In that last decade, my friend has discovered there are costs with a remote-only development team and so has decided to insource technical, marketing, and management roles. Her clients are SMBs in the US, and business is growing.

So, one direct answer to your question about how a US freelancer can "compete with wages set at the global standard of living, including currency exchange differences" is to serve a US clientele whose products and services are closely tied to the US and (in my particular case) where being in the same time zone has a significant impact on getting work done.

I'll also add that the insourced group is implementing more reliable processes and producing higher quality deliverables to the consultancy, as measured by client satisfaction and owner feedback.

EDIT: Add paragraph regarding work quality of insourced group.

Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by GrumpiNerd on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @09:55PM (#18127108)
The wages aren't set at a "global standard of living". They are set by how skilled you are. Usually people who complain about not being able to earn enough don't have very good skills. I've been using UpWork for a little over 2 years. Last year I did about $60k, this year will be around $75k. Being able to communicate well with my clients is a huge advantage compared to overseas workers. It also helps that I actually know what I'm doing.

I rarely work a full 40 hours per week. I've been a freelancer for almost 10 years now. I've briefly done some part-time stints in-person in offices in that time and it was a good reminder of how much I hate being stuck in an office following an arbitrary schedule.

Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by da02 on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @10:37PM (#18127262)
What type of work do you offer? UX? Programming? (Which languages?)
Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by GrumpiNerd on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @11:09PM (#18127377)
Full-Stack LAMP, mainly building heavily-customized WordPress sites. My current project is big enough that we've brought on some front-end help, so I've learned to manage git and am paying attention to developing my "soft" skills such as management. I'm likely doing a basic AWS certification soon, perhaps followed by some more DevOps type stuff or learning more formal UI/UX skills. At that point I'll be far above the average WordPress developer and could hit $100k+ if not next year, then the year after that. Pretty good for someone without a college degree working from home.
Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by ryanwaggoner on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @11:23PM (#18127417)
You are leaving TONS of money on the table by using Upwork.

The entire conceit there is that you’re a commodity and you and the other code monkeys should bid for the job, because you’re interchangeable.

I know freelance Wordpress devs doing $200k per year, but not on Upwork.

Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by mixmastamyk on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @02:24PM (#18133151)
Yes, though I get the feeling the person is trading free time for that cash. That includes avoiding bizdev hustle and doing taxes.
Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by da02 on Thursday October 04, 2018 @05:09PM (#18143690)
How many hours per work do they work? How do they find clients?
Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by kingkawn on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @08:09PM (#18126716)
The answer is that they will all soon be much poorer
Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by seppin on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @08:14PM (#18126742)
Find clients that care about quality, be better, and charge more.
Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by meiraleal on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @08:23PM (#18126780)
It's still competing globally. Although it can be said that american coders are above average globally, to earn an American wage every one of them will have to be top 1% in quality.
Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by GrumpiNerd on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @10:11PM (#18127165)
So then the people who aren't skilled enough will have to either improve their skills or go find something else that better fits their skills. Competition is good.
Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by anoncoward111 on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @09:00PM (#18126908)
I'd work for $10 an hour paid cash upfront. If it's a 220 hour project, that's $2200 a month (post tax, because I required cash up front).

Nearly anyone could live on that if they have a roommate and no kids.

Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by Mvandenbergh on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @09:30AM (#18129961)
That is a somewhat idiosyncratic definition of post-tax.
Re:The Complicated Financial Lives of Freelancers by anoncoward111 on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @09:53AM (#18130166)
I think it's better to talk about the actual amount of money that is ending up in my bank account rather than mythical pre-tax rates that receive a 30-50% haircut, especially for 1099s.

If the business wants to deduct the expense, then I charge higher.

If the business somehow comes up with $2,200 a month in physical cash, then I won't question it.

Yes it's illegal, but that's actually for the IRS to prove and not me.