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Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by alex_duf on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:04PM (#18122887)
I wonder how we'd feel as a species if our star was one of these instead of being the Sun.

We'd see this amazing group of stars and planets, going away from us knowing the more we wait for space travel to less likely our species would to reach any other star system.

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:22PM (#18123065)
I have this science fiction writing/game backstory idea I recently came up with. Feel free to use it, as I guess I won't get around to do anything with it any time soon. Copying straight from my "ideas" file:

At some point in time (past or future, or magically also present), a star passed in very close vicinity to our sun. It had a habitable planet in its system, full of alien plant and animal life. For the brief moment it was Δv-accessible, it was studied, and eventually colonized. The people going there knew it was going to be a one-way trip, as the star eventually moved further away. Possible stories to set before, during, or after encounter (or even long, long after).

(This works for no-FTL, hard sci-fi setting. By "very close vicinity" I mean, close enough for us to reach it via sublight propulsion, but still far enough not to mess up the inner Solar System gravitationally.)

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EDIT: Wow, turns out this isn't even that implausible - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18123098.

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by kbenson on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @02:03PM (#18124099)
Wow. Just the changed mindset (compared to the present, at least) would be amazing.

"Are there others out there? Yes. And they're like us. We should try to meet again some day."

It's almost like a modern day Atlantis myth, but true.

If you want a really interesting setting for a game/book, imagine a major regression on Earth (standard post-apocalypse trope), and the colonists finally find a way to visit again...

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by thaumasiotes on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @07:47PM (#18126630)
> Are there others out there? Yes. And they're like us.

By the time we managed to meet them again, there would be no reason to expect them to be like us.

> If you want a really interesting setting for a game/book, imagine a major regression on Earth (standard post-apocalypse trope), and the colonists finally find a way to visit again...

This is a regular feature of Motie civilization in the series beginning with The Mote in God's Eye.

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by kbenson on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @10:27PM (#18127227)
> By the time we managed to meet them again, there would be no reason to expect them to be like us.

Depending on technological advancements and how "hard" you want to consider your sci-fi or future science (purely based on likely developments of current technology, etc), how close to Earth conditions you want to assume the other planet was, how much you believe humans are still evolving, whether you think humans are likely to evolve along similar paths if segregated, whether we are considering mental models only or physical likeness...

So yes, no reason necessarily to expect them to be, but some small chance depending on a lot of factors lining up.

> This is a regular feature of Motie civilization in the series beginning with The Mote in God's Eye.

Yes, it's not an original trope. The rogue star explanation is one of the more feasible I've heard though.

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by soraki_soladead on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @02:31PM (#18124352)
Wasn't this sort of the idea behind the Homeworld games? Ancient artifact discovered in Antartica, left by the original settlers of Earth, leads to a quest to travel "home".
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @02:40PM (#18124428)
Sort of. It wasn't Earth, and the artifact was found in a desert.
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by soraki_soladead on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @02:46PM (#18124491)
Yep, you're right[0]. It's been a while.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeworld#Plot

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by pythonaut_16 on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @02:07PM (#18124149)
Kinda a cool idea in a Stargate-y, Ancient Astronauts kinda way.

It could easily be the origin of a story of the first interstellar star-ship from Earth traveling across the cosmos, only to reach a planet already inhabited by a human civilisation. (This would presume that knowledge of the traveler world was lost at some point)

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by hyperpallium on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @09:56PM (#18127118)
Pedantically, wouldn't Δv-accessible mean it would take a long time to get here, and we'd see it coming for a very long time?

Possibly easy to address... maybe, it was small and dim, and in line with a bright star, so we'd interpreted it wrongly.

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by TeMPOraL on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @02:11AM (#18127974)
It would. I'd assume humanity knew about it for decades before it became "reachable" - preparing a colony ship (and creating a necessary infrastructure) would take many, many years. There's also a story to be found in the two planets being in radio range for a hundred years past leaving travel range.
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by hyperpallium on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @05:29AM (#18128753)
I was thinking more of a scale of tens of thousands of years, even millions.
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by hyperpallium on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @09:26PM (#18136346)
Let's say the rogue system is 4-40-400 light years away (nearest star is 4 ly).

What's a reasonable ∆v? We get some free ∆v from Earth's orbital velocity of 107,000 km/h, or 29.7 km/s. Our fastest spaceship (which is around sun, https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vehicle_speed_records#Spa...) is 252,792 km/h, or 70.22 km/s - which isn't including the ∆v to cancel that, ∆v to return to Earth, cancel again.

This 70.22 km/s is about 2 ten thousandths of the speed of light (70.22/299,792). It would take about 20,000 years for alpha centuri (4 ly) to arrive at that speed, and 200,000 years to travel 40 ly, 2,000,000 years for 400 ly.

Of course, maybe we can go faster in future. but propellant is a problem, you have to come back, and a manned mission is orders of magnitude heavier.

Space is big.

funexercise: propose a means of propulsion that could do this.

EDIT a new one is going 692,000 km/h, over twice as fast. At that rate of improvement, maybe we'll get closer to it sooner than I thought. https://www.space.com/41447-parker-solar-probe-fastest-space...

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by Boulth on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @02:35PM (#18124388)
This reminds me of Clarke's Rama.
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by alasdair_stark on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @04:27PM (#18125415)
You should check out the Iain M. Banks novel, Against a Dark Background. It's set outside of his Culture Universe, in a planetary system orbiting an intergalactic star. There is no FTL so humanity is effectively trapped.

I wish that Banks had expanded on the idea with further novels as I really enjoyed reading about the cyclical rise and fall of societies while humanity explored different social/political structures, hoping to achieve some form of long-term stability.

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by stephengillie on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:32PM (#18123208)
How would it impact a solar system if one of these relativistic stars got too close? Any chance it could pick up a few planets, or would they mostly be flung into space?

Along that point, what does the heliosphere of such a star look like - a giant comet?

Lastly, were a life-bearing planet sent into space this way have any chance of maintaining that life without a parent star to heat and magnetically shield it?

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by behringer on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @03:59PM (#18125179)
Chances are nothing would happen as space is vast, but if it did get too close, it would be going way faster than anything around it, as it would be on a different plane. It would just scanner whatever is nearby like a big boat in a small pond.

The heliosphere would look normal because there would be no drag on it. A comet has a tail because the sun is both melting and pushing material away from it.

Lastly, we could probably heat our homes with the core of the planet for a little while, but everything would be dead within a few years. I think the Twilight Zone covered this scenario in an episode! In it the Earth started moving away from the sun for no good reason.

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by ryandrake on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @05:21PM (#18125816)
See “A Pail of Air" by Fritz Leiber: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pail_of_Air
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @06:05PM (#18126102)
A great story. Also, for some reason, it shook me deeply. I still feel dread when I think of it. Such hopeless scenario for humanity.
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by Gravityloss on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @01:56PM (#18124046)
"of course the galaxies are devoid of life. The amount of supernovas is just too great."
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by Scramblejams on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @01:31PM (#18123791)
The Milky Way is due to collide with Andromeda in about 4 billion years, and there is apparently a 12% chance that whatever's left of us (!) will be spun out in the process. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda%E2%80%93Milky_Way_co...
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by pavel_lishin on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @03:04PM (#18124662)
There's at least two stories I've read with a similar premise; one was an interesting tale of a planet that stifles its scientific development, and is almost-unaware that they're about to approach another star.

Damned if I remember what it's called, or who wrote it, though...

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by abecedarius on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @10:21PM (#18127200)
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by pavel_lishin on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @09:23AM (#18129907)
That's it!
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by madeuptempacct on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:14PM (#18122981)
The more interesting question is how you would feel if one of the inbound stars was inbound directly toward our sun.
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by comboy on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:19PM (#18123029)
You underestimate the emptiness of space.
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by wlesieutre on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:24PM (#18123098)
We had a "close" flyby (0.82 lightyears) about 70,000 years ago!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholz%27s_Star

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by TeMPOraL on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:27PM (#18123138)
> A star is expected to pass through the Oort Cloud every 100,000 years or so.[4] An approach as close or closer than 52,000 AU is expected to occur about every 9 million years.[2] In about 1.4 million years, Gliese 710 will pass somewhere between 8,800 and 13,700 AU from the Sun.

Just wow.

Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by njarboe on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @05:40PM (#18125945)
Maybe interstellar travel is basically impossible but there might be very long lived civilizations that propagate to others stars when one comes near by. Imagine what happens when both stars are populated by different long lived civilizations and they start to get near each other. I would love to read a good book speculating about such an event.
Re:Gaia spots stars flying between galaxies by planteen on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @03:33PM (#18124955)
That "close" encounter was still over three orders of magnitude further out than Pluto (which has a distance of around 0.000624 ly).