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Re:Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees by Broken_Hippo on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @09:19AM (#18121300)
Did Amazon actually pay any worse or have worse working conditions than any other unskilled warehouse job?

I'm not sure, but I think most places are OK with bathroom breaks. I could be wrong, though.

If so, why didn't the employees change jobs? See, this is much more difficult. If the Amazon warehouse pays more than other jobs around - even if the pay is still low - it makes it much more difficult to leave the job. You still need food and electricity and so on. The same sort of thing happens if an employer pays less, yet offers things like decent, affordable health insurance (or health insurance at all). To leave a job simply because of working conditions is a position with a bit of leeway.

If not, why is so much criticism directed at Amazon specifically, rather than at capitalism itself?

It isn't directed only at Amazon, but large employers. I'm not sure why some of the anger isn't directed elsewhere, though. I'm not sure it is fully capitalism's fault, but more of lack of laws protecting folks from capitalism alongside adequate enforcement of those laws. It is easier, however, to direct anger at the company, who can change somewhat rapidly, rather than a government that is slow to act and rarely produces quality change for all.

Re:Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees by prolikewh0a on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @10:09AM (#18121804)
>I'm not sure it is fully capitalism's fault, but more of lack of laws protecting folks from capitalism alongside adequate enforcement of those laws.

So what you're saying is...it's capitalism's fault?

Re:Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees by Broken_Hippo on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @02:27PM (#18124318)
Any government or economic system is bad when it is able to be abused by some of the players. Lots of these things are good in theory.

It is Ok to say that unrestrained capitalism is at fault, because that has led to this. Or capitalism that hasn't adjusted for the modern standards, perhaps.

Abuse is what is happening now, and the proper solution is laws to hinder such things. If it were up to me, a lot more places would be a socialist democracy with a thriving capitalistic sector.

Re:Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees by knightofmars on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @09:40AM (#18121514)
"I'm not sure it is fully capitalism's fault..." I agree. The problem here isn't capitalism. I also don't think it's lack of laws, it might be the opposite. People being abused by corporations who have manipulated laws in order to favor the corporations. Things such as "forced arbitration clauses", "anti-union legislation", and "non-compete clauses" are meant to strip the power away from workers. That we blame any economic system ignores the fact that humans are the root cause of any and all injustices in the systems we implement.
Re:Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees by knightofmars on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @09:53AM (#18121628)
_People_ are responsible for implementing the system and handling all of the problems with said system. We can't get around this. All systems have pros and cons. Pointing this out is akin to saying, "Water is wet." It's how people decide deal with those cons once a system hits reality that cause injustice in the system.
Re:Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @09:43AM (#18121537)
Whoa! not all of them are individual people's fault. There's still problems with the system itself including tyranny of the majority, systemic bias, inflation and recession to name the first few that occur to me.
Re:Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees by zjaffee on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @02:12PM (#18124188)
Per marxist theory (so take this how you will), modern societies can either be dictatorships of the proletariat or of the bourgeoisie. Capitalism as an economic system is inherently a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, where laws will always be created to favor the interests of those with capital rather than workers. A market driven economy isn't inherently capitalism, as markets existed before capitalism and certainly played a factor in the central planning organizations of many socialist governments.

Any concessions to this only come from fear that the bourgeoisie would lose further power, which explains why the rich historically supported the expansion of the middle class as it created a buffer between their interests and the interests of laborers, and would explain why Jeff Bezos would support a living wage now as without it there is an increased risk of having to make further concessions down the line.

Re:Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees by knightofmars on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @02:14PM (#18124210)