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Re:CERN suspends physicist after his science-and-gender talk by Confusion on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @04:52AM (#18119841)
Only if you think hiring decisions should depend only on certain measurable professional qualifications. Which they of course never are. If someone has a specialization that you already have in your portfolio, while a competitor has a different specialization that would be an addition, then the competitor can be preferred. If someone is a loner while the competitor is a teamplayer, then the competitor can be preferred. Etc. Maybe he just behaved like an a* during the hiring procedure, taking for granted he would be hired. You don't know and any conclusion based purely on the numbers is unwarranted and premature.
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Re:CERN suspends physicist after his science-and-gender talk by orbifold on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @05:02AM (#18119888)
I think it is unethical to hire someone, if you are both part of a special interest network of any kind. If you compare their citation record on (http://inspirehep.net/author/profile/A.Ceresole.1 and http://inspirehep.net/author/profile/A.Strumia.1), there is really little contest who should be hired though (both work in high energy physics, Ceresole more on theory, Strumia on phenomenology). But yes I agree there are many factors that play into the hiring decision we can't know about. In any case it seems most likely that this was his primary motivation.
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Re:CERN suspends physicist after his science-and-gender talk by manicdee on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @10:27PM (#18127226)
One of the points under contention is the lower rate of citation of women in any field. Thus using number of citations is a sexist metric and amounts to little more than dick waving.
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Re:CERN suspends physicist after his science-and-gender talk by kork__ on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @05:10AM (#18119926)
And Rosa Parks primary motivation was that she was black and denied a seat.

Since when does motivation make someones point invalid?

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Re:CERN suspends physicist after his science-and-gender talk by orbifold on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @06:15AM (#18120228)
I don’t really care either way. There are quite a few very good female string theorists, who presumably got through the hiring process without any affirmative action. High energy physics is a very competitive field you just can’t afford to hire less than excellent people if you want to stay relevant.
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Re:CERN suspends physicist after his science-and-gender talk by kork__ on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @06:28AM (#18120273)
High energy physics is a dead end field where people impress each other with how intelligent they are by producing ever more unverifiable results.
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