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Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by NullPrefix on Monday October 01, 2018 @12:12PM (#18114014)
>...didn't want to ruin our vacation so I complied.

>It ruined the vacation for me...

So what was the lesson?

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by komali2 on Monday October 01, 2018 @12:19PM (#18114093)
Border agents are terrible vanguards of a country tourism board.
Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by rhacker on Monday October 01, 2018 @12:41PM (#18114321)
Is there one?

Are you looking for:

* Don't leave the country?

* Refuse and have the phone cracked anyway?

* Refuse letting go of the phone and get arrested?

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by wutbrodo on Monday October 01, 2018 @12:53PM (#18114452)
I would say "don't go to Canada", but I'm not sure how common this is across the world. Does anyone have a sense of how common this draconian approach is? I have a US passport and have been to about 25 countries on six continents and have never experienced this, but borders see such mind bogglingly high numbers pass through that I wouldn't say I have a robust set of data points.
Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by reaperducer on Monday October 01, 2018 @01:29PM (#18114820)
I would say "don't go to Canada", but I'm not sure how common this is across the world.

The more you travel, the more common it is.

The phone thing is somewhat new, ever since certain companies started selling devices to governments that let them crack, examine, and archive your phone.

But being hassled at the border has always been a risk. Before it was terrorism, it was drugs, or just the change in culture.

I've had problems getting into Japan because of my heart medication.

I've read that if you have stamps in your passport from certain Middle Eastern countries, you can't get into some other Middle Eastern countries.

I've also read quite extensively recently that it's become very difficult for Indians to get into Georgia. Entire families, and even planeloads of people have been turned away, if you believe what you read on TripAdvisor.

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by wutbrodo on Monday October 01, 2018 @02:54PM (#18115672)
> being hassled at the border has always been a risk. Before it was terrorism, it was drugs, or just the change in culture.

Right, I'm aware of this, and borders in general suck. I've had a fair few bizarre experiences at borders, some of them funny (like the Lebanese border guard who insisted on speaking Spanish to me) and some quite shitty (lookin at you, Israel). But to me, the above story is quite the outlier in terms of sheer hostility, from a country that I didn't think of as being particularly draconian at the border.

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by blattimwind on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @08:55AM (#18129689)
> I've read that if you have stamps in your passport from certain Middle Eastern countries, you can't get into some other Middle Eastern countries.

Normally you can get two/three passports for that reason.

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by angry_octet on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @10:56AM (#18130798)
Really? I've not heard of countries issuing multiple simultaneous passports unless you have official or diplomatic status.

Previously the Israelis stapled a piece of paper with a stamp on it, you take it out before you go to the GCC. Now its not even stapled. (They photograph your passport & stamp pages though...) https://www.touristisrael.com/the-israeli-passport-stamp/974...

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by Symbiote on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @01:37PM (#18132632)
Several of my colleagues have multiple passports, simply because they travel often. They can travel with one passport, while the other is sent to the embassy for the next trip's visa.

Two of them are British, as am I. I looked into the process, but then changed the focus of my work and didn't need to travel so intensely. Essentially, I would have sent in a normal passport renewal form, and attached a letter saying "I'm going to X countries in the last Y months, so need a second passport". "I'm going to X as well as Y" is an equally valid reason.

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by blattimwind on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @10:58AM (#18130827)
> Really? I've not heard of countries issuing multiple simultaneous passports unless you have official or diplomatic status.

Germany and I think most other EU countries with heavy industries absolutely do this, because it is necessary to do business in the middle east.

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by angry_octet on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @01:58PM (#18132834)
What a practical solution. Deeper googling shows that this is possible for many countries (DE, AU, US, UK, FR at least), often called a concurrent or second passport. I wish I had known about this when various countries had been taking their sweet time about getting me a visa.

https://pointstobemade.boardingarea.com/2018/02/22/getting-a... https://www.passports.gov.au/using-your-passport/concurrent-... https://photos.state.gov/libraries/france/45994/pdf/second.p... https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F21517 https://www.rapidevisa.fr/actualites/174-comment-obtenir-off...

Learn something new on HN every day :-)

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by iforgotpassword on Monday October 01, 2018 @01:17PM (#18114696)
Your home country is pretty good at this stuff too. Had this happen to me in 2016 on a business trip, but I just had my work phone and laptop with me and didn't care too much. What was annoying were the comments I got when stating I'm a software dev and visiting for work (along the lines of "we have our own capable people so we don't need you taking our jobs"). I was at that time working for a US company's branch in Switzerland. Not too fond of visiting again. Luckily I'm not working there anymore.
Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by wutbrodo on Monday October 01, 2018 @02:42PM (#18115571)
> Your home country is pretty good at this stuff too.

Oh yea, I have no illusions about this, and I met more than a few people during my travels who deprioritize going to the US for tourism because of this, in the same way I'm discussing Canada here.

I didn't imagine that Canada was the _only_ country that did stuff like this, since I assumed we (and a couple other famous outliers like Israel) had similar stories. I was just wondering how common it was overall.

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by davidzweig on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:29PM (#18118398)
I've been to probably 60-70 countries on a UK passport. The only unpleasant border experiences I recall were in Israel, UK, France, and the USA. (Rude and intrusive).
Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by Symbiote on Wednesday October 03, 2018 @01:43PM (#18132682)
What unpleasantness can happen to a British citizen at the UK border? (Or France, for that matter.)
Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by ttty on Monday October 01, 2018 @01:04PM (#18114560)
Buy new phone, put random things there to look real and give them that phone instead.

Or wipe your phone, restore backup from cloud on arrival.

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by macintux on Monday October 01, 2018 @01:47PM (#18114996)
> Or wipe your phone, restore backup from cloud on arrival.

I'd wager the agents could legitimately (for some deranged, modern usage of that word) require that you either surrender your phone anyway or restore it immediately so they can review what you're clearly planning on bringing into the country.

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by cf_ on Monday October 01, 2018 @02:27PM (#18115424)
By that logic they could demand live access to your bank/social/email account as well. It's one thing to search things that you physically bring into the country - this article was talking about NZ only search the phones in "Airplane" mode.
Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by macintux on Monday October 01, 2018 @02:31PM (#18115462)
True, the way this law is apparently defined I think you could get away with it, but the distinction between what's on the device and what's in the cloud is getting fuzzier all the time, and I'm not sure other countries would feel so constrained.
Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by ttty on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @06:49AM (#18120355)
Restore to what account? I have so many, I doubt they are aware of all my accounts
Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by NullPrefix on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @10:23AM (#18121955)
>Please provide a finite list of your accounts. Lying by omission is still lying.

It's easy to come up with new stasi operation techniques if there are no civil liberties.

Re:New Zealand travellers refusing digital search now face $... by juiyout on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @04:58PM (#18125658)
> Please tell me all your crime and don’t omit anything.