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Re:The Myth of Charter Schools by anamax on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @04:47PM (#1808688)
> * The film admits only 20% of charter schools gets "amazing results". In reality, the huge study that stat comes from says only 17% of charters beat public schools, 46% generate comparable results, and 37% are worse.

One difference - you can close the failing charters. Failing public schools are virtually immortal.

Another difference - choice is also valuable.

> * Finland, the movie's model school system, is entirely unionized, has much lower poverty, and has a stronger social safety net than the US.

Finland is less populous than LA, almost all interactions involve relatives and long-term acquaintances, and it's all proto-Scandanavians.

The last point is important - anything works if you just have to deal with Scandanavians (or Mormons).

> * While the movie points out that only 0.04% of teachers ever lose their certificate, it omits the fact that 50% of new teachers leave the profession within 5 years, mostly because of working conditions.

Apples and Oranges. Bad working conditions drive out both good and bad teachers. (Conditions might be more of a issue for folks who have other options, which might be disproportionatly the good teachers.) Certificate revocation is likely to be dominated by bad teachers.

Re:The Myth of Charter Schools by tptacek on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @07:41PM (#1809306)
Failing public schools are routinely closed. Do you want them to be closed more rapidly? Me too. What does that have to do with charter schools?

You've restated the article author's point regarding Finland.

You also may have restated the author's point about the 50% of new teachers who don't stick it out 5 years.

Re:The Myth of Charter Schools by anamax on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @02:24AM (#1810250)
> Failing public schools are routinely closed.

Actually, it's not routine. It's a long drawn out struggle. Charters get closed much faster.

> You've restated the article author's point regarding Finland.

The person whom I was responding to seemed to be suggesting that Finland's experience tells us something important about the US. My point is that it doesn't.

> You also may have restated the author's point about the 50% of new teachers who don't stick it out 5 years.

Again, the person to whom I was responding suggested that certificate loss rates and the percentage of teachers leaving the profession because of work conditions have something to do with one another. They don't.

Re:The Myth of Charter Schools by tptacek on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @11:37AM (#1811605)
You really ought to read the article before arguing about it.
Re:The Myth of Charter Schools by anamax on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @02:38PM (#1812272)
I'm not discussing the article. I'm discussing the message about the article. I'm responding to the claims and arguments of that message. The relationship between my responses and the article are irrelevant.
Re:The Myth of Charter Schools by gahahaha on Wednesday October 20, 2010 @06:27PM (#1813382)
> anything works if you just have to deal with Scandanavians (or Mormons).

Not true. The school systems in Sweden and Norway are far behind Finland in terms of results.