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Re:Hire people who aren’t proven by amorphous on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:30AM (#18085421)
> someone who has 10 years AND cares is rare but pure gold.

One way to attract those people: choose to build your product using a rather exotic language (e.g. Clojure or Elixir). You take a substantial risk because the language is rather unproven and you will have a hard time finding experienced developers. BUT if someone with 10+ years experience makes the effort to learn a language that does not have an immediate payoff that is a good sign you found someone who cares.

Re:Hire people who aren’t proven by ktta on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:37AM (#18085497)
Not sure if I'm getting the joke here, but this seems to be a great way to spent most time on development rather than actually building a product.
Re:Hire people who aren’t proven by amorphous on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:54AM (#18085668)
Not meant as a joke at all. I have spoken to a few companies that chose Clojure as their development language. They had problems finding people because it's a new language. When I asked them why didn't they just chose something more established like Java with a seemingly unlimited supply of developers they said that they want to attract a certain type of developer that they are willing to train.

And that goes both ways. I want to work for a company that chooses language X instead of ruby-python-java-and-the-like because they care.

Mind you, this is not meant as a language bashing, not at all

Edit: obviously, those companies chose Clojure first of all because of technical reasons, but the hiring part is another perk

Re:Hire people who aren’t proven by dancek on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:58AM (#18085708)
Not sure if you're familiar with the mentioned languages.

I've been working on my first Clojure/ClojureScript project for a couple of months now. Alone, with no previous real-world experience on any lisp. I dare say I'm more productive now than I would be with React+Redux and a Spring/ASP.NET/Rails backend (all of which I have experience with in more than one project).

Re:Hire people who aren’t proven by mixmastamyk on Thursday September 27, 2018 @12:12PM (#18085832)
True but also true you'll be spending a lot of time on utility libraries that were solved twenty years ago in languageX.