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Re:Hire people who aren’t proven by ryandvm on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:38AM (#18084918)
Bingo. As an "old timer", it's not that we don't care; we still love the craft as much as ever. It's just that we are at a point in our careers where we can afford to have a much lower tolerance for bullshit.

Manager says "let's have a weekend pizza party hackathon!!!" and the old-timers are the first to recognize and decline the opportunity for unpaid overtime fixing bugs.

Re:Hire people who aren’t proven by collyw on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:48AM (#18085019)
As I said in another comment caring about producing good work is completely different about caring about every hyped up new trend that our industry comes up with (usually a rehash of something from 20 years ago).
Re:Hire people who aren’t proven by pvarangot on Thursday September 27, 2018 @01:29PM (#18086725)
As a manager I never do nor support hackatons except when the team themselves suggest it's the only way... but when I myself have to code or fix or debug something that needs grind time I still enjoy them. If I'm not getting payed enough to put that hours is another issue to discuss with my manager besides the pizza hackatons themselves.
Re:Hire people who aren’t proven by fma on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:46AM (#18084995)
In my younger days (I'm only 35 lol) I used to want to apply for jobs that said junk like "fast paced environment". Now I'm like screw that...

I mean every company wants you to work as hard as possible and turn things around...but now I feel the ones publish it want to put you through the ringer.

Re:Hire people who aren’t proven by HillaryBriss on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:07AM (#18085209)
> "fast paced environment"

yes. and, if I were to pursue a job with such a description, I'd have only myself to blame when the insane conditions started.