The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth

Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by boomboomsubban on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:31AM (#18083815)

What traits are you seeing in newborns that you think last through life? As the social conditioning begins the moment you decide they are showing that trait.

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Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by rusk on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:27AM (#18084213)

Is that your opinion, or are you citing a developmental theory? Personality invariants are a thing. e.g [0]

If you can elaborate on your point of view I'd be happy to further explain what I mean here.

[0] https://www.jstor.org/stable/87360?seq=1#page_scan_tab_conte...

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Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by boomboomsubban on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:12AM (#18084624)

My point is that social conditioning begins the moment you have interactions with the child, and if you notice a behavior you expect a similar behavior. I can't see how that would be disputed, though the importance of any one aspect is still unclear.

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Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by rusk on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:17AM (#18084673)

> though the importance of any one aspect

There's a lot more certainty about the relative weight of these factors than you might expect. Pick up any beginners developmental psychology textbook and see for yourself.

Unless you're actually trying to debunk the whole field in which case you'll need more than just a glib remark.

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Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by boomboomsubban on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:44AM (#18084979)

The field hardly has consensus on the issue. It is one if the areas where twin studies are a primary form of research. Ignoring any potential issues being raised about twin studies, personality traits seem to have a medium heratibility. Which makes it difficult to determine what personality traits are genetic in the best situations, and a parent's anecdotal opinion is far from the best situation.

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Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by rusk on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:21AM (#18085336)

As I say, it has a far greater consensus than what you said.

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Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by boomboomsubban on Thursday September 27, 2018 @01:09PM (#18086509)

All you've said is that I'm wrong, and linked a 1939 Anthropology paper detailing an experiment testing if certain people talk more.

No scientist worth a damn watch a very young baby for a few hours and determine that their genetics mean they will have some personality trait. At best, genetics provide a range of how strong a personality trait is, with environment and chance both influencing things too.

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Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by rusk on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:39AM (#18091849)

Ah you're only a grumpy contrarian.

You've supplied nothing but spite to this discussion. Go back under your rock.

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Re:The ‘Real You’ Is a Myth by rusk on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:36AM (#18084312)

In my opinion, I think you may be over-generalising the observer-effect.

There are many many many many twin-studies that demonstrate the limited effects of social conditioning.

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