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Re:Demolishing the California Dream: How SF Planned Its Own ... by komali2 on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:56PM (#18077898)
I disagree, intent matters a great deal. My conservative friends in Texas don't actually want poor people / immigrants / etc housed, it's a part of their value system - "If they want housing, they should work for it!" thinking. My liberal friends in San Francisco hold the opposite mindset, they want everyone housed, working or otherwise, even if it's done in their own neighborhood.

Policy needs work, I agree. My conservative friends like to mock me, blame the Democrats, or just the entire concept of liberalism, for every problem in San Francisco. Maybe they're right, but I've heard strong arguments that many problems we face are hangovers from old-guard republican policy:

http://www.sfweekly.com/news/the-great-eliminator-how-ronald...

I've also heard arguments that a lot of this boils down to just Prop 13, sponsored mostly by Republicans, particularly anti-tax activist Howard Jarvis but also Paul Gann.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(197...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Jarvis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gann

Anyway, I think finger pointing is boring and useless, and as someone who's social circle is split in third between the deep south, the not so deep south, and the capital of liberalism in America, I've learned to address these kinds of discussions with "point your finger at what you think the solution should be instead." Saying "blue states suck at building cities" is just another form of Ad Hominem - what specifically is the problem, and what specifically do you think the solution should be?

Re:Demolishing the California Dream: How SF Planned Its Own ... by silotis on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:09PM (#18078047)
> My liberal friends in San Francisco hold the opposite mindset, they want everyone housed, working or otherwise, even if it's done in their own neighborhood.

That may be true for your friends, but the revealed preference of SF residents as a whole does not agree.

Re:Demolishing the California Dream: How SF Planned Its Own ... by komali2 on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:12PM (#18078090)
Perhaps, then, SF is not as liberal as people assume?
Re:Demolishing the California Dream: How SF Planned Its Own ... by kenmicklas on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:15PM (#18078129)
It's really not. SF public policy can barely be counted as liberal and seeing people on HN calling it "leftist" is maddening.
Re:Demolishing the California Dream: How SF Planned Its Own ... by refurb on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @06:49PM (#18080925)
"No true Scotsman"
Re:Demolishing the California Dream: How SF Planned Its Own ... by deepakhj on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:39PM (#18078365)
Lots of people in the bay area think the techies caused the housing crisis.
Re:Demolishing the California Dream: How SF Planned Its Own ... by hfdgiutdryg on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:49PM (#18078475)
I was invited to a tent-covered block party in SF by a friend active in politics and the Asian-American scene. I was told that the party was being thrown by a Chinese family that owned something like 30% of SF property. I have no way of verifying this.

My point being that money, in one way or another, caused the housing crisis, and it may not have anything to do with liberal vs conservative, zoning, regulations, or prop 13. SF is an iconic city, and money will always flow there. Meanwhile, virtually everyone I knew in SF was a renter, and most of them were in tech. The only ones I knew who owned had pre-IPO Google money or made it to Google Staff positions.