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Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by toyg on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @08:08AM (#18075038)
I’ve used Vivaldi for a bit, and it’s a nice browser. Coming from Chrome, there is a pretty painless transition since most extensions will work fine.

However, Vivaldi does nothing to improve the state of the web. It’s just another webkit, fostering the monoculture; and their business model and practices are basically the same as Google’s, just on a smaller scale.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by ljoshua on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:25AM (#18075639)
Care to expand on "their business model and practices are basically same as Google's?"

As far as I understand it, it's paid placement for search engines and bookmarks [0], and potentially attaching aff links to some search results [1]. Isn't that pretty much the same model as Mozilla and Firefox? Kind of a far cry from being a data aggregator and an ad company, right?

[0]: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/20277/vivaldi-income/2 [1]: http://www.itpro.co.uk/desktop-software/29904/jon-von-tetzch...

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by toyg on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:49AM (#18075876)
Last I checked (admittedly a couple of years ago), they also did some tracking behind the scenes, in the bit of code that they had pointedly not released. The undercurrent vibe at the time was that there was no real guarantee that they wouldn't shop around your aggregated data; all I read in that interview is that they have not been "forced" to do it yet, but hey, "life is life" kinda thing. They still do little more than throwing tarballs over the fence every once in a while, with a muddy license that follows the letter rather than the spirit of opensource. There is no real bugtracker nor transparent development practices.

I understand why they do it (people gotta eat), but to me that looks even less trustworthy than Mozilla, which at least has a certain entrenched culture that typically tries (not always successfully) to blunt the worst corporate decisions, and follows real opensource practices.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by eirki on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:10AM (#18076081)
My impression is that they've explicitly advertised their intention not to sell user data:

  We’ve always taken data security extremely seriously. And we’ve long believed that everything you store in your browser belongs to you — which is why we’ll never sell your data, or willingly compromise your privacy
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by toyg on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:19AM (#18076167)
New copy on the day Chrome is in the middle of a privacy-related storm, what a coincidence.

From the (older) interview you linked: 'The aim is to earn a dollar per year per user. "We're almost there," he says. "I think we can do more than that and still be nice guys and not sell out our users or do anything silly."' That's hardly cast-iron, especially considering that Opera did indeed sell out eventually (yeah I know that "it was complicated", but that's basically what it boiled down to). But hey, in the end, trust is individual, so more power to them. I just think their impact on the web at large will never be as significant as Mozilla's, if they continue on this track.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by whoknowsnobody on Thursday September 27, 2018 @05:48AM (#18083144)
Opera had investors who pressured Jon, Jon left, they sold out. Vivaldi is Jon & Tatsuki project, no external investors.
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by mfer on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:30AM (#18075688)
Vivaldi is chromium based rather than webkit.

Google is more than a browser manufacturer. Their business model is mostly ads. Things like Chrome feed back into that (collecting data on people and using it to personalize other experiences... like ads). How is Vivaldi's business model similar?

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by toyg on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:52AM (#18075903)
> Vivaldi is chromium based rather than webkit.

Sorry, I'm so oldschool that for me the two are still basically the same -- after all, blink was a webkit fork, which was a khtml fork.

> How is Vivaldi's business model similar?

See my other comment.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by kowdermeister on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:14AM (#18076113)
And after all humans are rodent forks :)
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by toyg on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:31AM (#18076296)
The chances that we can digest food in the same way as rodents do, are much lower than the chances that blink will render a webpage like webkit does :)
Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by Pizzaputer on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:38AM (#18076375)
It says this right on the OP's link: "Vivaldi has always honored its users’ rights to data privacy and protection. There is no need to collect your personal information. We don’t track you. Period.

We encourage users to explore privacy-conscious options and educate themselves on the basics of web browser security. This year we integrated DuckDuckGo as our default Private Search, and added Qwant to the list of suggested search engines (which includes StartPage as well). All of these are great tools for taking back your privacy. We’re continuing to explore ways to protect Vivaldi users and this will always be a top priority."

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by sosborn on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @11:51AM (#18077174)
> It’s just another webkit, fostering the monoculture;

Ignoring that Blink and Webkit are feature identical, what negative effects are there with an open source rendering engine monoculture?

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by stonogo on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @04:42PM (#18080080)
It ossifies every layer of the stack below it. Once you have a practical monoculture, user demand effectively cements the entire underlying operating system design to cater to the browser implementation. Fine if you're selling Chromebooks, but fatal for innovation.

Once the operating system is encased in amber, only a massive budget can break new ground -- this is why things like Plan 9 from Bell Labs will never take off. It's why Haiku is importing more and more BSD code instead of pursuing their own paradigms. It's why the only realistic chance for anything new is Google's Fuchsia; they're one of a very few organizations who can afford to innovate in this environment.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by waddlesplash on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @10:41PM (#18081768)
> It's why Haiku is importing more and more BSD code instead of pursuing their own paradigms.

We are? Uhh ... not really?

We use FreeBSD's WiFi stack and drivers (same as the other BSDs), and have plans to import some of FreeBSD's work to get linuxdrm/gallium for hardware acceleration. That's it.

Re:Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floati... by sudhirj on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:02PM (#18077301)
Probably a good thing on the surface - less work for devs in terms of compatibility checks. Add competition has made all browsers less complacent, improved performance everywhere, sped up adoption of new tech and general been an adrenaline shot. Much less talk nowadays of “will browsers support it?”