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Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by dannyw on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @09:41PM (#18072015)
I have already switched to Firefox and loving it (Facebook container, tracking protection enabled), but these changes are welcome and responsive.

I hope this is a wake up call that privacy implications need to be seriously considered during product design (even if the intent was better UX), and hidden changes without any UI/notice is going to make issues blow up far more than if there was clear in-app communication.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by seibelj on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @09:47PM (#18072051)
I did as well. DuckDuckGo, ublock origin, privacy badger. I haven’t used Firefox seriously in 5 years or so and I’m very pleased with the experience.

To be honest, it’s best to use an independent company for your internet browser. Google’s incentives and business model no longer matches web browsing for someone who cares about privacy.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by ssutch3 on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @02:12AM (#18073174)
Did it ever?
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by cyborgx7 on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @03:15AM (#18073479)
I'm the last person to defend google, but in the beginning a reasonable argument could be made that what they wanted was better performance of javascript and website rendering in general. Microsoft, Mozilla and Apple were the only engine developers in town. Two were the default on their OSs and Mozilla was the choice of those who made a choice. So there was no real incentive to compete on performance.

Chrome was introduced by Google with the idea of improving performance of webbrowsers in general so they could do more with web-apps. That did seem somewhat reasonable at the time.

But since Chrome became the market leader, the incentives have changed.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by dao- on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @03:49AM (#18073693)
Google used to pay people working on Firefox, including the lead engineer at the time, Ben Goodger. They pulled them to work on Chrome. Had they wanted, they could have invested more in Firefox to improve its performance. But what they really wanted was full control over their own Web browser.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by chupasaurus on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @06:46AM (#18074588)
> Microsoft, Mozilla and Apple were the only engine developers in town.

And KHTML team in a cave.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by kaskavalci on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @04:44AM (#18073999)
and pi.hole. Privacy at its best.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by tome on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @06:31AM (#18074527)
> I haven’t used Firefox seriously in 5 years

Do you mean "I haven't used *Chrome" ..."? Otherwise I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by jazoom on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @06:38AM (#18074552)
I don't think he/she meant "Chrome". It makes no sense to me if you substitute "Chrome" for "Firefox", considering the context of the comment and its parent comment.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by AsyncAwait on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @06:43AM (#18074578)
They used Chrome previously and now they switched to Firefox and are happy with it, despite not having used it seriously in 5 years.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by tome on Thursday September 27, 2018 @06:29AM (#18083286)
Ah, so maybe the meaning was "I've just switched to Firefox after having not used it seriously for five years". It's interesting that that interpretation was so obvious to so many people but not me!
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by esalman on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @12:17AM (#18072747)
I switched to Firefox developer edition couple weeks ago before this incident. Reason: my laptop temperature goes up to 80C+ with about 10 tabs opened in Chrome, whereas with Firefox it stays around 60C. But with this sync and cookie fiasco I am never going back, even if they fix the CPU optimization issue in a future update.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by golf1052 on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @10:26PM (#18072225)
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by rckclmbr on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:46AM (#18073072)
I actually use Chrome for everything Google, and Firefox for everything else. It's a constant reminder that I need to stop using Google services. I don't open it much anymore, just to check my gmail which still has a few emails going to it, and to find my android whenever I lose it.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by nachtigall on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @02:26AM (#18073229)
Does gmail really not work in another browser like Firefox? Seriously? How is this possible?
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by rckclmbr on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @02:35AM (#18073276)
It works fine in Firefox, I do it for the intentional isolation. To me, chrome browser is "google browser"
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by ankka on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @02:34AM (#18073273)
Almost everything runs just fine in Firefox.

Google software seems to be chrome-optimized, but it's usually only slightly slower on Firefox - it still works.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by ndnxhs on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @03:38AM (#18073611)
Some google websites are chrome only because of the use of some non standard plugins.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by mattlondon on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @07:39AM (#18074853)
Do you have any details of which ones? I have not discovered any so far - everything seems to work just as well in Firefox (e.g. gmail, youtube, search, maps, adwords, adsense, analytics, cloud console, webmaster tools are the ones I requently use on Firefox with zero issues)
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by ndnxhs on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @09:58AM (#18075962)
Google earth and Google hangouts
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by AsyncAwait on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @06:46AM (#18074592)
It works, but it uses non-standard extensions that are only present in Chrome, so it runs slow in Firefox, especially since their latest update.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by AsyncAwait on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @06:42AM (#18074566)
> I hope this is a wake up call that privacy implications need to be seriously considered during product design

Maybe am too cynical, but I think it would be a wake up call to hide such features better in the future. This is Google we're talking about here.

Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by murukesh_s on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @01:13AM (#18072950)
I think it did hurt and visible in their stats otherwise they wouldn't do it so soon.
Re:Product Updates Based on Your Feedback by make3 on Wednesday September 26, 2018 @08:33AM (#18075234)
the problem here is that Google's incentives are directly opposed to user privacy