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Re:Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abu... by unstuckdev on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:27PM (#18060050)
A whole lot of people are learning about the hazards of centralization in email lately. First Google turns GMail into a slow-loading nightmare for weaker computers like mine, then they announced the closure of Inbox. Now 40 million people are without email because Zoho couldn't keep up with registrar consolidations (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18060013).

Zoho is fine as a service, but a domain suspension shouldn't cut tens of millions of people off from email.

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Re:Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abu... by svembu1 on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:29PM (#18060069)
I agree this is unacceptable. We are figuring out ways to make this more resilient - we host third-party domain mails, and we could map those domains directly without involving our domain. That could be one solution. We have learned a serious lesson here.
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Re:Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abu... by unstuckdev on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:36PM (#18060141)
Steal GitLab's business model and let people/companies self-host their own Zoho.
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Re:Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abu... by manigandham on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @01:08AM (#18063749)
Nothing about self-hosted licensed software is unique to Gitlab, it's been a standard business model since the software industry started decades ago.
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Re:Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abu... by unstuckdev on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @09:02AM (#18065961)
I know. I used GitLab as an example because git is as ubiquitous in development as email and just as prone to centralization. Plus, the recent funding news made it the most obvious example since people are concerned.
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Re:Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abu... by lucb1e on Monday September 24, 2018 @04:55PM (#18061366)
I wouldn't say Zoho is one of the ones enjoying "centralized" status. If you said so of Google or Microsoft, or in the past perhaps Yahoo, then in the western world that's true; but I can only vaguely recall ever hearing of Zoho, let alone see an email address of theirs used by anyone.

While email is getting harder to run yourself due to all the bad actors, with dozens of reasonable choices (plus the option to self-host like I do) you can hardly call it centralized.

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Re:Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abu... by chooseaname on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:29PM (#18060065)
> A whole lot of people are learning about the hazards of centralization in email lately.

What is the alternative?

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Re:Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abu... by acct1771 on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @01:34AM (#18063847)
In case this is a serious question: federation, with servers kept running by stakeholders of whatever the email's needed for.
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Re:Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abu... by unstuckdev on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:32PM (#18060100)
I don't know, I'm not an email geek. Lots of smart people run their own email systems and report good delivery rates going by past threads here. Maybe they can work together on something more accessible.
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Re:Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abu... by tomschlick on Monday September 24, 2018 @11:13PM (#18063311)
https://mailinabox.email/ has worked well for me in the past
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