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Re:The Roots of Techno (1994) by poisonarena on Sunday September 23, 2018 @12:47PM (#18051893)
I disagree completely, drum and bass came from Jungle music, and Jungle came from the 1980's ragga scene. Classic Trance came from High Energy and Italo Disco..

You might even say techno and detroit techno was inspired by electro/electrofunk/early hip hop music (MANY OF THEM SAMPLING KRAFTWERK, not the other way around)

"Get with it!" - Dynamik Bass System

Here is a source: http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/

Re:The Roots of Techno (1994) by louthy on Sunday September 23, 2018 @01:30PM (#18052105)
> and Jungle came from the 1980's ragga scene.

Not really, it heavily sampled the dub basslines and ragga vocals from that scene, but it grew out of the hardcore/rave scene. The hardcore scene had already been heavily using the dub basslines, it was just the vocal element and the more two-step oriented and heavily 'chopped up' Amen breaks that distinguished jungle from the sound of rave which was a more straight break-beat, with lots of analogue synth stab lead riffs.

The hardcore/rave scene grew directly out of the Belgian techno and acid-house scenes.

> Classic Trance came from High Energy and Italo Disco..

That's a real stretch too. Trance and techno were almost the same thing in the early 90s, with the likes of Jam & Spoon - Stella. They clearly share the same origins. The shite that came later (Euro trance) is not what I would call the 'original' trance.

> Here is a source

Inskur's guide is well known to be full of errors, I wouldn't use that as a source.

Re:The Roots of Techno (1994) by louthy on Monday September 24, 2018 @06:50AM (#18056581)
>> Classic Trance came from High Energy and Italo Disco..

> That's a real stretch too.

I'm going to row back a bit on this absolutist comment. The origins of trance were definitely Goa in the mid-80s and had chopped up Italo Disco, Disco, and Hi-NRG (chopped up to remove the vocals, extend them, and make them more 'trancedental'). So, I will admit that it's where trance came from. And in some ways it always stayed 'parallel' to the other scenes, and always had a certain hippy-vibe to it (well, until Ferry Corsten got hold of it).

But, the actual production style moved pretty far away from the Italo/Disco/Hi-NRG sound - and I would consider trance from the 90s onwards to be fundamentally 'techno with pads' as they share so much in common.

And, so that's why I think it's debatable what the origins of the production are, if not necessarily the origin of the scene.