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Re:A Soviet-era airport, once the height of luxury, faces de... by Nursie on Friday September 21, 2018 @09:23AM (#18039468)
That is a hideously ugly building.

It doesn't say "city of the future" to me, as the author seems to suggest, but city of the past. And not the glorious past or the beautiful past, but a period of architecture dominated by harsh lines, masses of exposed concrete, and the idea of architecture expressing domination over the land and over the people who used it.

Brutalism, here in the UK, is largely seen as an ugly mistake. I would categorise this with it.

Re:A Soviet-era airport, once the height of luxury, faces de... by bopbop on Friday September 21, 2018 @09:38AM (#18039572)
That's likely subjective, as I think it's extremely aesthetically pleasing - I've always seen Brutalism as having strong links with the Bauhaus style, something else I have high regard for.

I won't argue with your city of the past argument as I'm not sure I'd term it as the dominant architecture of a city of the future, but I think it definitely has a place. I would argue against Brutalism expressing domination over people - I've always seen it more as expressing function in form, which would be the opposite. Given it's close ties to Soviet architecture I can see how a lot of the buildings built in the style would have literally been used for the oppression of individual will, however.

Also, with regards to it's opinion in the UK and worldwide, Brutalism is experiencing something of a revival:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/06/t-magazine/design/brutali...

https://www.europeanceo.com/lifestyle/brutalisms-message-may...

https://houseandhome.com/decorating-design/brutalism-revival...

Re:A Soviet-era airport, once the height of luxury, faces de... by pjc50 on Friday September 21, 2018 @10:13AM (#18039807)
> Brutalism expressing domination over people - I've always seen it more as expressing function in form, which would be the opposite

It expresses the architect's idea of function, which may or may not have anything to do with the actual users. However, whenever the actual users of a building complain about the poor UX (noise, leaks, discomfort difficulty finding things in the layout) or their feeling of unhappiness induced by the blankness, it's traditional for Modernists to tell the public and users that they're wrong. It's that elitism which more than anything else characterises the failures of Modernism, of which Brutalism is a part.

Re:A Soviet-era airport, once the height of luxury, faces de... by bopbop on Friday September 21, 2018 @03:27PM (#18042043)
I can see how building a process directly into a building can lead to an inflexibility with changing the process.

I think the argument you're making lends itself well to a criticism of any pre-planned system.

Re:A Soviet-era airport, once the height of luxury, faces de... by Nursie on Friday September 21, 2018 @12:00PM (#18040635)
It's unlikely to be popular in the UK again any time soon, it reeks of depressing grey misery and inhuman, unfriendly architecture. It also reeks of crap 1960s city centres.

I hope this 'revival' is strangled in infancy.

I also disagree that it is function in form - brutalist buildings often fail to perform their function well, usually due to ignoring human factors like requiring light and air, or encouraging criminality and vandalism by having dark, semi-accessible corners.

I look at brutalist structures like the Heyward Gallery and despair that anyone could have thought inflicting that on the world was doing it good, when looking across the river at what else London has to offer.

Re:A Soviet-era airport, once the height of luxury, faces de... by bopbop on Friday September 21, 2018 @03:51PM (#18042178)
Whether an individual building performs its function well or not, its still a central tenet of Brutalism to embed the function in the form.

I appreciate that if everything was Brutalist it would be an overwhelming sight, but I definitely think it has its place.

I'm also not keen on the Hayward personally, but places like Brunel University, the Barbican and the airport in the article have a really nice reduced functionalist style with interesting angles and use of glass.

Edit: Also in terms of popularity of Brutalism, the Barbican is constantly getting praise, and I think has or had architecture tours happening.

Re:A Soviet-era airport, once the height of luxury, faces de... by Nursie on Monday September 24, 2018 @02:45AM (#18055530)
I also find this sort of thing very telling, about a residential estate many considered to be some of the finest the movement had to offer -

"The campaign to save Robin Hood Gardens drew very little support from those who actually had to live in the building, with more than 75% of residents supporting its demolition when consulted by the local authority."

Re:A Soviet-era airport, once the height of luxury, faces de... by Nursie on Sunday September 23, 2018 @07:24AM (#18050562)
The Barbican does get praised.

To me it still looks violence, depression and poverty, summed up in miserable, grey-brown concrete.

Re:A Soviet-era airport, once the height of luxury, faces de... by jotm on Friday September 21, 2018 @10:28AM (#18039914)
Yeah, it's nothing like 1-2 storey buildings with exposed brick and wood, often conjoined in pairs, triples or long lines, that take up large swaths of land on a small island.
Re:A Soviet-era airport, once the height of luxury, faces de... by Nursie on Friday September 21, 2018 @11:53AM (#18040581)
Not sure of your point? I agree it's nothing like suburban Britain, which is hardly a wonder in most places itself.

There's more than one type of ugly around. Brutalist buildings in the UK are some of the worst, bleakest and profoundly unfriendly places.