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Re:France Bans Smartphones in Schools Through 9th Grade. Wil... by ElBarto on Friday September 21, 2018 @05:04AM (#18038242)
You're saying that this law is useless, then.

Having checked it, it allows exceptions (e.g. teaching purposes or for disabled pupils) which schools are free to decide on and set in their own rules.

The 'issue' of debating schools rules in each school, which isn't an issue at all, is thus not even addressed.

Re:France Bans Smartphones in Schools Through 9th Grade. Wil... by simias on Friday September 21, 2018 @06:06AM (#18038522)
I think you're looking at it from a programmer's point of view, not a lawmaker. This is not a smart contract, it's not supposed to handle every possible corner thrown at it, if there's a dispute a judge will weigh in. As such what matters most is that the intent of the law be clear. In this case it seems pretty clear what the intent is: as a rule smartphones have no place in French schools.

Arguing that a law is pointless because there are exceptions is like saying that red lights are pointless because ambulances are allowed to ignore them.

Of course if it turns out that most schools end up creating a huge number of exceptions which make it trivial for everybody to side-step the law then yes, it will end up being useless. It's a bit too early to tell though.

Re:France Bans Smartphones in Schools Through 9th Grade. Wil... by ElBarto on Friday September 21, 2018 @06:12AM (#18038542)
I am not saying that the law is pointless because that there are exceptions. This law is useless because schools can adequately set their own rules.

I am countering your argument that this law is useful because it prevents arguments in schools. This is both incorrect and lazy.

Re:France Bans Smartphones in Schools Through 9th Grade. Wil... by simias on Friday September 21, 2018 @08:18AM (#18039131)
>I am countering your argument that this law is useful because it prevents arguments in schools. This is both incorrect and lazy.

Right, because there aren't any precedents with, say, banning smoking in schools. If you leave it entirely at the school level then a small number of motivated parents can harass the schools to get what they want. They did it with smoking[1] ("we don't want our children to leave the school grounds to smoke") and they did it with phones ("we want to be able to reach our children at any time"). Being able to stay "that's the law and that's it" is definitely a good way to avoid having this debate every year in September.

[1] http://www.lavoixdunord.fr/213036/article/2017-09-04/fumer-d...

[2] https://bit.ly/2xEDILf (sorry for the minified URL, HN won't let me post the original for some reason)

Re:France Bans Smartphones in Schools Through 9th Grade. Wil... by chmod775 on Friday September 21, 2018 @07:37AM (#18038914)
> This law is useless because schools can adequately set their own rules.

This is just a terrible argument. Just because a subset of people may be able to enact rules on their own does not mean you shouldn't create consistency at a higher level. Especially if you desire a specific outcome instead of having some groups come up with something completely different.

Also this law was one of Macron's campaign promises. People voted for this and people got what they voted for. Apparently people didn't want schools to make up their own rules.

Re:France Bans Smartphones in Schools Through 9th Grade. Wil... by gjackson73 on Friday September 21, 2018 @06:51AM (#18038710)
You seem to be arguing that an important number of teachers will want their pupils to use smartphones in class, and anybody could figure out that that is false.