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Re:Pilot Stands Up To TSA And Refuses Full Body Scan by JoelMcCracken on Monday October 18, 2010 @09:53AM (#1803480)
Take the train, if possible. Its not quite as convenient, but at least it is leisurely.
Re:Pilot Stands Up To TSA And Refuses Full Body Scan by stonemetal on Monday October 18, 2010 @11:03AM (#1803729)
In the US at least going by train is about like walking. Going from Dallas to Austin is about 3-4 hours by car a short enough trip you wouldn't think about flying but long enough that you would like to avoid driving. By train that is 7 hours. Looking at Dallas to Denver a 12-14 hour car trip, something where the few hour flight would be an option. By train that is 48hrs one way. so to visit a friend my options are: 24hours in a car, 4 hours by plane, and 4 days on a train. The train ride would cost about the same amount as the plane ride, and the car ride would be dollars spent cheaper but not by much.
Re:Pilot Stands Up To TSA And Refuses Full Body Scan by Vivtek on Monday October 18, 2010 @10:07AM (#1803522)
That would work great if America still had a train system.

I always worried about this when we lived in Puerto Rico. Due to the Jones Act, there are no passenger ships to the island - to leave, you have to fly.

Re:Pilot Stands Up To TSA And Refuses Full Body Scan by rubyrescue on Monday October 18, 2010 @10:12AM (#1803545)
There's nothing i can find on the Jones Act banning passenger ships - only making Puerto Ricans US citizens - can you elaborate?
Re:Pilot Stands Up To TSA And Refuses Full Body Scan by Vivtek on Monday October 18, 2010 @10:21AM (#1803571)
Ah. The Jones Act also specifies that all ships traveling between American ports must be (1) made in America, (2) registered in America, (3) owned by Americans, and (4) crewed by Americans. The consequence is that the market can't actually bear passenger travel between American ports. So there isn't any. At all. Hasn't been for decades. Unless you own and sail your own boat, you can't get there from here except by air.

Weird - and definitely an unintended consequence. The Puerto Ricans are quite aware of it. But as long as shipyard labor on the East Coast continues to support protectionism no matter how meaningless, there will continue to be no passenger shipping to Puerto Rico.

Re:Pilot Stands Up To TSA And Refuses Full Body Scan by davidw on Monday October 18, 2010 @10:59AM (#1803716)
By way of a control, is there passenger ship traffic to Jamaica, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, other islands in that region, or Cancun?
Re:Pilot Stands Up To TSA And Refuses Full Body Scan by Vivtek on Monday October 18, 2010 @10:35PM (#1805969)
I don't actually know - I never lived in those places. The situations are complex, though: Haiti and the Dominican Republic are very poor and might not have the market, and Jamaica and Cancun are further from the mainland, thus shipping would be disproportionately slower.

It might be interesting to look at when passenger routes died out. For instance, there is only intermittent ferry trade with the Bahamas from Florida, even though they're very close - but the market is marginal given the low cost of air travel right now. I would guess that passenger routes to Puerto Rico were eliminated before those to the Bahamas, but ... I don't really know. This is an interesting point - but wow, it would take a lot more research than I'm able to do in order to answer it.

Re:Pilot Stands Up To TSA And Refuses Full Body Scan by davidw on Tuesday October 19, 2010 @02:50AM (#1806415)
Nitpicking: Cancun is closer to Miami than Puerto Rico by my reading of a map, and Jamaica is about the same distance if you consider that you'd have to sail around Cuba to get to it.