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Re:Alex Garland’s cult novel The Beach, 20 years on by DisruptiveDave on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @11:12AM (#18024705)
Have you asked yourself if everything you see in the movie is as presented? SPOILER: In other words, are the people people and the AI AI? (That's the wow.)
Re:Alex Garland’s cult novel The Beach, 20 years on by ethbro on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @04:26PM (#18027441)
That's the Blade Runner trope though.

Is there any direct support in the film for that view?

If the writing doesn't support it, then that's kind of like asking if Speed is set in the Matrix: unfalsifiable and not useful.

Re:Alex Garland’s cult novel The Beach, 20 years on by DisruptiveDave on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @05:00PM (#18027667)
SPOILERS DON'T READ THIS!!!

Yes, there are plenty. Now we can debate perception all day, but I think this sampling is enough to pique interest..from what I can remember:

we don't know caleb's history

he has a big, unexplained scar on his back

there is a lot of focus / talk about iterations of the AI

caleb is the one locked in an observation room when he has talks with ava

the cutting himself scene is...odd and unnatural

he never, ever gets drunk

there's a weird scene towards the end where nathan refuses a drink from caleb and goes out his way to make him take a sip and asks how it tastes (he does not answer)

the conversations btw nathan and caleb are not exactly natural, in that nathan consistently prods caleb to provide more in depth/opinionated answers and not be so technical

added: wouldn't the best test of an AI be to give the AI freedom and see if it recognizes itself as AI?

Re:Alex Garland’s cult novel The Beach, 20 years on by ethbro on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @05:59PM (#18028018)
> added: wouldn't the best test of an AI be to give the AI freedom and see if it recognizes itself as AI?

Not really, as "recognizes itself as AI" presupposes a difference between AI and human. Gimmicks aside (i.e. let's see what's inside me), any AI which recognizes itself as AI would essentially fail the Turing test.

To me, those bits just came off as Lost/Shyamalan-esque hand waiving without saying something definite. Anyone can write a profound question they don't intend to answer.

The spinning top in Inception, or the dream in Blade Runner, are far more intentional.

Re:Alex Garland’s cult novel The Beach, 20 years on by DisruptiveDave on Thursday September 20, 2018 @02:29PM (#18034507)
"Definite" is boring and lazy to some (like me). Giving the audience enough space for interpretation is exciting to some (like me). It's ok, not everybody has to like the same thing.