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Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by gnulinux on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @09:45PM (#18020998)
I was maybe 10 or younger and I was speedbombing downhill with my younger sister. We were fearless and very, very fast. Of course we weren't wearing any helmet or whatever. One time as we were racing, she was winning, she shifted her bike toward my direction and slowed down. I ran into her bike and flew out of my bike. Next thing I know I'm in the air, falling down towards the hill. When I finally hit the ground, I uncontrollably rolled downhill another maybe 10 meters. All my face and body was covered in blood and soil. My mom, seeing this incident from far away, ran for help. She told me, when I grew up, that when she was close enough to see me she was sure I was dead because of all the blood on the asphalt and what not. But thanks to the gods of probability, I didn't even break a bone. I don't understand how can human body can be so resilient that a 10 year old kid can survive such an accident without any damage other than his skin (and it wasn't permenant, I forgot about this event until now). I was stupid and I probably did that again and again, possibly even the next day. Now 15 years later, I bike everyday, but I bike very cautiously. I was lucky once, I don't wanna try my luck again.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by fian on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @06:50AM (#18023264)
Cyclists tend to break bones at slower speeds. Pro-cyclists racing down mountains will lose a lot of skin in a fall but unless they hit something hard (rock, pole, wall) they don't tend to break bones. At walking speeds, a sideways fall often results in broken collar bones and wrists.

It is all about the angular momentum of the cyclist wrt to the road.

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @07:59AM (#18023531)
Interesting. I've moved to a warmer country and it's normal here for moped riders and motor cyclists to wear a helmet with shorts and a t-shirt.

I'm used to motor cyclists wearing leathers. Bare skin in an accident looks terrifyingly abrasive.

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by pmontra on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:25PM (#18025888)
A friend told me "there are two types of motorcyclists, the ones with a t-shirt and the ones that already crashed." This is a warm country.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by komali2 on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @12:18PM (#18025302)
Whenever I go on a group ride with someone that doesn't even have gloves on, I say I'll give them five bucks for every second they're able to lightly press their knuckles to the concrete, then rub them back and forth vigorously.

Nobody's ever managed to make it more that a second.

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by hackeraccount on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @12:02PM (#18025170)
dress for the slide not the ride.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by close04 on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @10:36AM (#18024459)
Less deadly than cracking your skull open though.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by ubermonkey on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @09:04AM (#18023853)
Well, sure, but I did this

http://i.imgur.com/gRqg50J.png

at about 22mph. ;)

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by jjuel on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @09:34AM (#18024043)
I was 9 when I fell off my bike and broke my femur. Being in traction for 4 weeks followed by a full body cast for 12 was not a very fun way to spend the 4th grade.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by nickjj on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @08:31AM (#18023687)
> At walking speeds, a sideways fall often results in broken collar bones

That's pretty much what happened to me. I was going walking speed on a bike, popped a wheelie, handle bars came off, I tumbled forward and landed collar bone first onto a curb. Hairline fracture at about age 14.

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by johnvanommen on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @03:19PM (#18026932)
> handle bars came off

I pulled the brake lever on my road bike once, and it FELL OFF. Went right into the front spokes and launched me over the handlebars like a cannonball. It was like putting a metal rod right into the front spokes.

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by gnulinux on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:02PM (#18025687)
> handle bars came off

That sounds very concerning. I didn't know that could even happen...

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by nickjj on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:19PM (#18025835)
> That sounds very concerning. I didn't know that could even happen...

I don't know too much about bikes, but the one I had used some type of bolt to connect the handlebars to the main frame.

I was adjusting the height of the handlebars and I guess I didn't tighten it enough in the end. User error in all its glory.

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by jacquesm on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @10:18PM (#18021145)
The big factor is that you simply weigh less.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by a1369209993 on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @10:36PM (#18021229)
Square-cube law; someone twice the size has eight times the mass and eight times the force, with only four times cross-sectional area to support it. A ten-year-old's bones and other tissues suffer half[1] the force per unit area in a crash, so require only half the material strength to avoid whatever level of damage.

1: spherical cow/fermi estimate

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by Gravityloss on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @10:56AM (#18024588)
Actually ... force is proportional to the cross section of the muscle.

You can probably produce more power approximated by the volume of the muscle though.

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by hfdgiutdryg on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @12:33PM (#18025430)
force is proportional to the cross section of the muscle.

This never made any sense to me. Muscles are made up of groups of fibers, which are made up of chains of sarcomeres. How could strength be proportional to cross sectional area rather than volume of the muscle?

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by dragonwriter on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @12:39PM (#18025487)
> How could strength be proportional to cross sectional area rather than volume of the muscle?

The same reason that's true of strength of passive members; the limiting factor is the force that will cause shearing, which is basically the strength of one bond in the lengthwise direction times the number of them supporting in parallel in the cross section. So, given the same material, cross sectional area determines strength.

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by hfdgiutdryg on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:01PM (#18025675)
But, by my understanding, the sarcomeres, which are the source of the actual movement, don't run end to end, they're chains.

The entire line of reasoning seems to rest on the idea that the smallest unit we consider runs from one end all the way to the other.

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by dragonwriter on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @01:22PM (#18025864)
> But, by my understanding, the sarcomeres, which are the source of the actual movement, don't run end to end, they're chains.

It doesn't really matter, except the not being homogenous end-to-end means it's the weakest point that matters. But, irrespective of the structural details, there is some force in the direction of contraction that will cause failure, and that force is proportional to, basically, the number of linkages it is distributed across in parallel (not connections in series, such as along the chain) which is proportional to cross-sectional area.

> The entire line of reasoning seems to rest on the idea that the smallest unit we consider runs from one end all the way to the other.

It is not (in fact, the entire reason it is true of any material is because even structures which seem to be end to end are composed of smaller structures with fallible linkages; if there were indivisible end-to-end structures, this would cease to be a concern.)

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by a1369209993 on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @08:56PM (#18028891)
To clairify, I was talking about the force exerted by a asphalt plane slamming into you at X m/s, not the force exerted by your muscles.

Although I was basing that on force exerted by gravity (which is proportional to mass), whereas deceleration might be spread out proportional to length, so it might work out to L² anyway. It's too late to edit though.

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by FlyMoreRockets on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @09:48AM (#18024133)
That is indeed a big factor, but another important factor is that the bones of children are less brittle than adults. I retired from being an EMT last year and it's amazing what kids literally bounce back from while adults break a hip from just falling in the yard.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by TheSpiceIsLife on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @10:35PM (#18021219)
Also, as far as I understand, growing bones impart a bit more flexiblity to the skeleton due to epiphyseal plates at either end of long bones.

Or is this a myth?

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by MaxfordAndSons on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @02:44AM (#18022237)
I believe that's true, but I doubt it's really a factor in this phenomenon of kids surviving high speed crashes that would likely be fatal to adults. It's really just a matter of a less massive body generating (exponentially) less force on impact.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by p1necone on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @10:35PM (#18021223)
The inverse square law is a powerful thing.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by GreeniFi on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @11:20PM (#18021428)
I didn’t know there was a name for this. Speedbombing...Like another commenter, aged 10 I took on the biggest hill in the area. 30 years later, I still bare the scars and memories of the pain at being cleaned up by a very unsympathetic nurse at the hospital. Which was more painful than the crash, as I remember it.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by jchrisa on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @11:52PM (#18021548)
In Portland we call it Zoobombing, because you can ride light rail to the zoo and zoom back downtown: http://www.zoobombpdx.org/
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by skookumchuck on Tuesday September 18, 2018 @11:08PM (#18021360)
My father always said that God looked out for boys, because it was a miracle they survived being a boy.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by 3chelon on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @05:37AM (#18022996)
I'm atheist but I like that saying. I'm amazed I survived my 1970s childhood intact. Plenty didn't.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by lb1lf on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @11:28AM (#18024870)
I have come to realise that there's quite a survivor bias in childhood experience, too, whenever someone suggest that today's kids are pampered and parents are hysterical and after all, when we were kids we did all these fun things you cannot do anymore because safety - but yet we survived just fine, didn't we?

I looked up the stats going back a few decades - in the sixties, an average hundred kids died in traffic each year here in Norway. Now? Two or three. Yet we drive more and the population is significantly larger, too.

Drowning (the other biggie) is down by a similar factor.

Generic accidents? Also down by at least an order of magnitude.

We may sigh all we want that kids today are glued to their playstations while we were out building tree huts, conducting -ahem- applied pyrotechnics experiments and similar - but the fact of the matter is that kids today survive childhood. We didn't. :/

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by AstralStorm on Friday September 21, 2018 @02:28AM (#18037568)
They don't have to be glued to anything ever.

The main difference is being supervised by a reasonable adult or not and how streets near homes have changed.

Kids can only be left to free roam in a very safe environment - and even that is not entirely without risks. Alternatively only kids who are shown to be reasonable can do that - it takes parental sensitivity.

Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by linalgmixer on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @12:11PM (#18025243)
I remember doing stuff like this as well when I was younger. I think it should be a collective responsibility of parents to instill in their children that safety is important. I don't let my children ride their bikes without helmets and that's the norm where I live, not the exception, and I think a great deal of it has to do with the fact that the parents around here are very involved in their children.
Re:Woman Rides Bicycle to 183.9 MPH, a New World Record by kwhitefoot on Wednesday September 19, 2018 @03:26AM (#18022425)
You might find Haldane's essay on the subject interesting: https://irl.cs.ucla.edu/papers/right-size.html