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Re:Amazon Investigates Employees Leaking Data for Bribes by taurath on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:07AM (#18003574)
> Similarly, it's plausible that minimum wage laws actually depress wages. An unskilled worker or college student isn't legally permitted to accept a $4/hour internship, but may not be able to find one that pays any more than that

I think the people who can “afford” to take a $4/hr internship is the same cohort that could take a free internship. The rest need enough wages to live off of.

Re:Amazon Investigates Employees Leaking Data for Bribes by AnthonyMouse on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:17AM (#18003617)
> I think the people who can “afford” to take a $4/hr internship is the same cohort that could take a free internship.

Except that there are now a bunch of restrictions on unpaid internships that have caused companies to increasingly stop having them.

And even that is still a problem for the people who could "afford" to take a $4/hr internship but not a $0/hr one. And even the ones who suffer being unpaid are still deprived of the extra $4/hr they could have had.

> The rest need enough wages to live off of.

In which case, why do they not take a different position that pays more? Unless there isn't one, but in that case their alternative is having no employment, which pays even worse than $4/hour.

Re:Amazon Investigates Employees Leaking Data for Bribes by taurath on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:09PM (#18008362)
> And even that is still a problem for the people who could "afford" to take a $4/hr internship but not a $0/hr one. And even the ones who suffer being unpaid are still deprived of the extra $4/hr they could have had.

Let me put it more bluntly - rich kids are the ones taking the unpaid internships. Nobody can survive off of a $4/hr internship. The $4/hr might as well be $.50 an hour.

> In which case, why do they not take a different position that pays more?

They will, but its worse for their careers in most cases. Unpaid internships tend to give much better career progression - you just need to have the money to be able to survive it. Thats why they're restricting unpaid internships - if you want to offer them you can't just offer them to wealthy people's kids.

Re:Amazon Investigates Employees Leaking Data for Bribes by AnthonyMouse on Monday September 17, 2018 @02:35PM (#18008667)
> Let me put it more bluntly - rich kids are the ones taking the unpaid internships. Nobody can survive off of a $4/hr internship. The $4/hr might as well be $.50 an hour.

What you're really saying is that $4/hr might as well be zero. But it's different -- by $4/hr. There is not a brick wall separating rich kids from poor kids, it's a wide spectrum. There are lots of in between kids who could swing $4/hr but can't get away with working for free.

> They will, but its worse for their careers in most cases.

Then why are you advocating forcing them into that? If the choice was $4/hr now for $50/hr later vs. $10/hr now for $10/hr forever, how is taking away the first option supposed to help them?

> Thats why they're restricting unpaid internships - if you want to offer them you can't just offer them to wealthy people's kids.

Except that the wealthy people's kids are the ones whose parents have the influence to get them a paid internship, or at least one of the few remaining unpaid ones after the others are destroyed, so all you're really doing is screwing over the people in the middle.