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Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by quotemstr on Sunday September 16, 2018 @07:02PM (#18001763)
Adopting a code of conduct for Linux is a worrisome move. Any code of conduct that purports to police what contributors do outside the context of the project is a totalitarian infringement on individual autonomy, especially since enforcers of codes of conduct tend to take an expansive view of their remit.

What CoC enforcement eventually becomes is a prohibition on project contributors professing political opinions that the CoC enforcers find reprehensible. You don't need a CoC to get civil behavior.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by lgleason on Sunday September 16, 2018 @09:42PM (#18002534)
These things have nothing to do with civility etc. They are at their core as you said, mechanisms to try to force out political beliefs. Sounds like the culture wars have claimed another...and the community will not be better for it.
Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by JoshTriplett on Sunday September 16, 2018 @07:17PM (#18001819)
> What CoC enforcement eventually becomes is a prohibition on project contributors professing political opinions that the CoC enforcers find reprehensible.

To quote a comment I made elsewhere in the thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18001722):

If you want to argue about the level of taxation, the right size of government, regulations on business, whether public or private is the most efficient way to accomplish a goal, or myriad other areas of policy like those, go right ahead. Those kinds of things are absolutely reasonable subjects for healthy and reasonable debate. (They're rarely on-topic for a software project, but in some types of communities, or in companies, or in random side conversations, sometimes they are.) Those are almost never the kinds of political opinions that people have in mind when they're suggesting that "political opinions" should be an explicitly protected category, though.

It's funny how the people worried most about whether they'll feel unwelcome for their political opinions are often those whose political opinions revolve around making others unwelcome, or hurting others, or questioning (or asking with superficial politeness about) others' right to exist. Those kind of "political opinions" do not and should not get any protections, in a code of conduct or anywhere else. You're legally allowed to say them, but you should not expect to do so without any consequence.

> You don't need a CoC to get civil behavior.

If you're lucky enough to have a community that all has a common understanding of how to behave well and treat others well, perhaps. But even then, writing that common understanding down helps others in the future.

Usually, when we have undocumented information that people need to know, we call it "tribal knowledge", and we try to fix that by documenting it.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by quotemstr on Sunday September 16, 2018 @07:25PM (#18001869)
See my reply to that other comment. You are essentially acknowledging that you consider certain political opinions (which are, by the way, quite mainstream) to be so reprehensible that you're willing to use 1950s style industry blacklisting to suppress them.

This conduct was unacceptable then and it's unacceptable now. Nobody gave CoC enforcers a monopoly on virtue.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by JoshTriplett on Sunday September 16, 2018 @07:47PM (#18001999)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

> political opinions

Being hateful and hurting others goes beyond "political opinion".

> which are, by the way, quite mainstream

And, after today, just a little bit less.

Re:Linus Torvalds apologizes for his behavior, takes time off by furgooswft13 on Sunday September 16, 2018 @08:12PM (#18002120)
People can be, and usually are, completely uncivil to each other without invoking any politics or no-no words. All this CoC does is expand the scope of what is considered uncivil, and where.