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Re:How Teachers Came to Be So Underpaid in America by roel_v on Friday September 14, 2018 @05:59AM (#17985986)
"“I can’t tell you how many letters I got this summer that said final notice.” Cooke, who makes about $69,000, often skips doctor’s appointments to save the co-pay and worries about paying for her eldest daughter’s college education."

(a bit up it says she's in Raleigh, N.C.)

Not to question this woman's problems, but can someone shed some light on what the situation there is that would make a salary like that 'low income'? The median house price is 234k according to Zillow, so I would imagine rent being; what; 700 to 1000? I want to feel for these people, and I'm not claiming they are making things up; but when I see articles like this, they usually have examples that make me scratch my head a bit.

Re:How Teachers Came to Be So Underpaid in America by tallanvor on Friday September 14, 2018 @06:48AM (#17986183)
She's a single mother of two. The article doesn't say how old her children are, but if they're young enough to need child care before and after school (they may go to different schools that start at different times than Cooke, and she has work to do before and after school starts) that will add up very quickly. You also don't know anything about how much money she had to borrow to afford getting her degree (or degrees if she has a Master's). So yeah, $69k can be a low amount of money, even in places like Raleigh with lower costs of living compared to New York or SF.
Re:How Teachers Came to Be So Underpaid in America by roel_v on Friday September 14, 2018 @07:42AM (#17986432)
Daughters are teenagers, there's a pic in the article.

If her predicament is because of student loans she had to take out to get this job, then the problem is really 'degrees are too expensive', and not 'teachers don't make enough', right? Or are excessive (relative to income) student loans an especially big problem for teachers?

The median household income in Raleigh is 55k (first Google hit). She's making almost 20% more than that. Sure, she may have a bunch of expenses that others don't, but is the story then that teachers make too little, or is the story that some people have high student loan repayments, or pay a lot in alimony, or have to help out family, or have debts from previous bad marriages or whatever?

My point is: if I was a PR guy, trying to gain public support for the idea that teachers are underpaid, I wouldn't show off someone who makes 20% more than the median household income on her own. If you're looking to make a point, you find some good examples of the problem you're illustrating; not even necessarily the worst cases, but surely not someone who raises questions for even a sympathetic reader like myself. So then I wonder in this case, what else is there 'hidden' in this story we're not being told but that would change the narrative substantially?

Re:How Teachers Came to Be So Underpaid in America by mirimir on Friday September 14, 2018 @09:11AM (#17986926)
Yes, that jumped out at me too.

For whatever reason, $69K may not be a livable wage for her and her family. But most people in Raleigh would think, on the face of it, that she's making good money.

But this is an article in Time, not a PR piece. Maybe the author has an agenda, or maybe they're playing it straight. Whatever, maybe Ms. Cooke should have declined the interview.

Re:How Teachers Came to Be So Underpaid in America by scarface74 on Friday September 14, 2018 @07:56AM (#17986518)
If she has expensive student loans and she knew she was going to be a teacher, that may be her fault. She could go have gone to a cheap state school.
Re:How Teachers Came to Be So Underpaid in America by stmfreak on Friday September 14, 2018 @03:07PM (#17989955)
You are describing a series of choices that have noting to do with the cost of hiring someone to do her job.

Compensation is set based on scarcity, replacement cost AND the value of the work performed. For public sector positions, it is impossible to quantify the value so we fall back on the other two.

Whether or not someone had a bunch of kids or bought a too expensive car doesn’t enter into whether their pay is fair.

Re:How Teachers Came to Be So Underpaid in America by mtberatwork on Friday September 14, 2018 @06:57AM (#17986213)
> that will add up very quickly

Indeed, if both of her children are in daycare programs the costs can easily exceed the amount she pays for her rent or mortgage.

Re:How Teachers Came to Be So Underpaid in America by forgot-my-pw on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:36PM (#17988654)
Would be nice if a teacher's family gets free education.