Asian cities have far worse infrastructure than the US for cars.

Toronto has horrible traffic too.

Calling for better US gov infrastructure still doesn't solve this problem for them. Nor will American or Chinese tech companies. In the meantime I'll take driverless electric cars who are actually making progress pls.

Instead of fantasizing about the day modern nation states are marginally functional at delivering services, like they were half a century ago. Basically everything they touch, especially under the false guise of 'private' partnerships ends up a decade late and 2-4x the cost (in billions). And often delivering only half of what was originally planned.

The less we gamble on such a trainwreck the better IMO. Unless, of course, something changes. But every year and every election it seems to get worse.

You act as if self driving cars are independent of infrastructure. These cars need roads. And if these cars are your solution to mass transit, far more will be on the road, requiring more upkeep. Roads are huge money sinks.

You seem to think self driving cars are magnificent devices that just glide over roads and don't need bridges or tunnels. For some reason, we never include these costs with cars when compared to mass transit. That is simply unfair.

I'm not against self driving cars by any means. But people misrepresent them all the time.

I didn't make such a suggestion at all, I was referring to major transit projects and related projects. Seems like you're changing the subject anyway, so I'd rather not continue.

Perhaps you should explain how, of course I can't force you to continue. Simply say you no longer wish to discuss - no need to be insecure about the debate by needlessly adding a "convenient" excuse to exit.

Cheers.