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Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by NeonVice on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:02PM (#17980272)
How is Amazon creating more homeless people?
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by djsumdog on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:16PM (#17980404)
Look at their home in Seattle. The influx of people is pushing up housing prices to pretty unbearable levels. It's not as bad as the Bay Area, but the homeless situation there has been bad for a long time.

The large Seattle companies also work in discount deals for housing, which is far from ethical or fair:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/is-it-hou...

People are critical because Amazon has rarely given to charity, or when they do it's something like letting a charity temporally use an existing building before they renovate it:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/amazons-donating-a-buil...

I mean, maybe we shouldn't be so critical if Bezos is legitimately concerned and they're doing something, but I can understand why people are skeptical based on their track record.

Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by skufuor on Thursday September 13, 2018 @04:59PM (#17982530)
And they're planning on permanently giving them space in one of the new office buildings.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/amazon-creating...

Disclosure: i work at Amazon.

Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by lev99 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:09PM (#17980337)
Increasing home prices in Seattle, where the median rent is $2,400 [0]. By bringing in people from out of state with high salaries Amazon is making the housing market in Seattle much more expensive as more people compete for a mostly static stock of housing. Zoning laws, mandatory parking, improved public transportation, affordable housing regulations, and new development could all improve the current situation so local and state governments play a role, but it would be naive to assume the largest private employer in the region didn't play a role in creating the current situation either.

[0] https://www.zillow.com/seattle-wa/home-values/

Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by corysama on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:49PM (#17980721)
:/ The math you are presenting is “One family gets a large raise. Another gets a slightly harder time finding affordable housing”. Multiply that by a large number and you get a large number of families cannot find affordable housing. But, a similar number got large raises. It’s not a universal win, but it’s still a net win. It’s not even a horribly skewed distribution.

If I could make a genie wish, it would be that there was a bunch of luxury condo&apt construction for the new residents so that none of the old residents would have any pressure to move. But, I can’t blame the lack of construction on Amazon.

Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by mrep on Thursday September 13, 2018 @03:13PM (#17981500)
> If I could make a genie wish, it would be that there was a bunch of luxury condo&apt construction for the new residents so that none of the old residents would have any pressure to move.

Seattle has had the most cranes in the country for 3 years now [0] and so much new housing has been built prices recently went down [1].

[0]: https://www.seattlepi.com/seattlenews/article/Seattle-three-...

[1]: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/real-estate/smallest-s...

Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by jakelazaroff on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:10PM (#17980896)
How is increasing inequality a net win? The situation you've presented is even somewhat zero-sum, i.e. the first family's gain comes at the expense of the second. That's exactly what we should be trying to prevent.
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by corysama on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:29PM (#17981071)
It's not zero sum. One family makes more than before. The other makes the same as before. Net win. The extra money in the pocket of the first family is not coming out of the pocket of the second. It's coming out of Amazon's pocket.

The alternative is that no one gets raises. That's would be loss for a large number of families and no change for others.

Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by jakelazaroff on Thursday September 13, 2018 @03:02PM (#17981398)
You are not presenting a scenario in which one family gains and the other stays the same, you're presenting one in which one family makes more money (gain) while the other makes the same amount of money but is less able to find affordable housing (loss).

It's not strictly zero-sum because the gains and losses may not exactly offset each other, but one agent's gains still come at the expense of another.

Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by corysama on Thursday September 13, 2018 @03:27PM (#17981620)
I don't know what you are advocating. Amazon paid people a lot locally. That's usually considered a nice thing. As a side effect, that inflated prices locally. That's sad. So, to not be shamed by you, they should have been doing ambiguous something all along. What?
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by jakelazaroff on Thursday September 13, 2018 @04:07PM (#17982050)
I suppose I'm advocating that we structure our society such that one person gaining wealth does not make it more difficult for another to live their life. I'm pointing out that, in a vacuum, this specific scenario:

> One family gets a large raise. Another gets a slightly harder time finding affordable housing.

is something to avoid, not strive for.

Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by corysama on Thursday September 13, 2018 @05:16PM (#17982688)
Sure. But, it feels like there is a lot of shooting the messenger here. There is obviously a fault in the housing market of Seattle. If there wasn’t, supply would have risen to meet demand. But, Amazon didn’t cause the fault. They just made it obvious. So, when shit gets bad, who does the pitchforks come out for? The ones who made the problem obvious.
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by smileysteve on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:11PM (#17980902)
> Zoning laws, mandatory parking, improved public transportation, affordable housing regulations, and new development could all improve the current situation so local and state governments play a role

Wow! "Play a role" has an amazing undertone here; It's Amazon's fault for offering good salaries in Seattle; a better company would offer fewer jobs, at lower salaries, spread out (oh that's what's happening at the warehouses).

Local and State Governments (and the people they represent who are profiting from real estate in San Francisco and Seattle) should not be the distant second you're pointing at here!

Indeed, Amazon HQ2 is considered by many cities to be a giant opportunity for economic growth.

And this is to ignore that Amazon Seattle is located where a previously blighted community was.

Nay, I say, I've considered Seattle as having a higher cost of living since 'You've Got Mail' came out.

Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by emodendroket on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:10PM (#17980344)
Might be hard to do all those things you're proposing when Amazon has tremendous resources to mobilize against any proposed tax.
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by songzme on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:11PM (#17980359)
X used to own a bookstore. It was good enough to put him in middle class. Then the culture changed, it was easier for people to read reviews online and buy, than to shop in book stores. His shop has to close down, now he drives for Uber and tries to make ends meet. He is no longer in middle class. Not homeless, but I'd imagine if there are more competition for unskilled labor, more people would be squeezed into homelessness
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by cgag on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:14PM (#17980385)
succeeding too much by being to useful and employing too many people, and failing to respect modern cities inability to grow
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by olivermarks on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:07PM (#17980322)
By centralizing giant swathes of the consumption economy to run through Amazon, destroying jobs at every step of the way. Sweden have banned Amazon so their local economies can flourish. I think this is good macro business logic for a nation state. https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-amazon-competition-ec...
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by Aunche on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:44PM (#17980673)
So Amazon gets credit for killing jobs, but no credit for creating jobs? Without a doubt Ikea has killed the small time furniture making industry, yet is listed as a "charity."
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by chillacy on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:20PM (#17980991)
My own company has been slowly getting killed by amazon in the past 10 years, but we’ve also killed countless brick and mortar stores along the way. Where will we draw the line? Are we to fight the newfound efficiencies of technologies like the Luddites?
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by opencl on Thursday September 13, 2018 @02:42PM (#17981180)
Sweden did not ban Amazon. Amazon just doesn't operate in Sweden (yet). People in Sweden can already buy things from the other EU Amazon stores.
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by olivermarks on Thursday September 13, 2018 @04:55PM (#17982486)
I'm not sure that's accurate, I think there has been considerable political and therefore bureaucratic opposition to Amazon in Sweden
Re:Amazon's Bezos Launches $2B Fund to Help the Homeless by emodendroket on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:04PM (#17980292)
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/06/how-a...

In case you don't care to read an article they're just coming off an effort to kill a tax that would have affected them and which was specifically designed to combat homelessness.