Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien...
by Oreb on Thursday September 13, 2018 @05:18AM
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Linguists don't really believe in objectively easy or difficult languages. Subjective difficulty depends on your interests and what languages you already know.
As a Norwegian, I found German far easier to learn than English, French and Spanish.
Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien...
by dash2 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @07:30AM
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Hmm. It seems clear that where you start from plays a role. At the same time, it seems obvious that Latin grammar (3 genders, 6 cases, 4 verb conjugations, 5 noun declensions, multiple moods etc) is more complex than Italian... or am I wrong?
Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien...
by hodgesrm on Friday September 14, 2018 @12:39AM
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It also depends on where you are going. If your goal is native fluency including clean pronunciation and grammar I find most languages equally hard. (Have mastered or had runs at 7 other than English.)
To your second point, Latin inflections are for the most part very mechanical, even for verbs. Latin is difficult to master due to the fact that it's for the most part only read. It's far easier to gain fluency if you develop an active vocabulary through speaking and writing.
If you are looking for objectively hard things to master I would pick German noun gender or Japanese Kanji. They both require rote memorization of thousands of items. Both have relatively weak patterns to cut down the amount of cases you need to memorize.
Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien...
by tralarpa on Thursday September 13, 2018 @08:27AM
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> At the same time, it seems obvious...
English: "My wife sent me an email", but "My wife sent an email to me".
Yes, very obvious :)
Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien...
by tralarpa on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:04PM
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LOL, I got a downvote. I didn't know there is a "Party against Grammatical Cases" on HN :)
Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien...
by zuminator on Thursday September 13, 2018 @08:58AM
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Linguists don't really believe in objectively easy or difficult spoken languages. Written language is a different thing, and the difficulty of learning Chinese characters will be a drag on international acceptance in the scientific community.
Re:China now the most prolific contributor to physical scien...
by sandworm101 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @07:25AM
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Everyone thinks thier language hard, with strict rules and pronuciation. Those who teach english, or any language, always focus on rules. In reality, rules matter little to anyone outside classrooms. The ESL students in my class always pointed out my "mistakes", only for me to point out the same techniques being used by the great speakers and writers of history. During years of learning english nobody told them that if you speak well enough, you can do as you wish with rules.
From my own experience (I speak/write in 5 different languages and live in Germany since 2011), it takes between 5 to 10 years to learn German minimally. Other Western European languages are simpler to learn and more popular: Spanish, English, Portuguese, French.
Much of the difficulty is not at knowing the German vocabulary and pronunciation. It is simply that the language is very strict in its written and spoken form. By comparison, other western languages had global exposure over the centuries and today are fitting like a shoe to the native speakers of other languages, so the learning curve is far less steep.