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Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by flukus on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @01:32AM (#17965784)
> concluded it has insignificant impact or improves the economy

Just because it improves the economy doesn't mean it's improved the lives of all people in it. With the detachment of wage growth from economic growth in recent decades you can probably expect people to stop caring about what's good for the economy altogether pretty soon, economic growth is just an abstract number disassociated from the reality of most.

Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by dnomad on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @01:36AM (#17965798)
> With the detachment of wage growth from economic growth in recent decades

And you think immigrants are responsible for this?

Or are they simply being used as a sacrificial scapegoat because nobody wants to address the raging inequality in the West?

Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by dragonwriter on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @02:26AM (#17966014)
> And you think immigrants are responsible for this?

Yeah, it was immigrants who engineered the massive Reagan-era tax burden shift off of elites and on to the working class (and subsequent downward tax burden shifts under Bush 43 and Trump which reinforced the effects of the Reagan shifts.)

Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by flukus on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @02:18AM (#17965981)
> And you think immigrants are responsible for this?

Entirely? No. Partially? Yes.

Most notably immigration has a huge impact on housing and the ever increasing demand for it. This alone is responsible for much of the fall in living standards.

Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by dnomad on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @02:27AM (#17966021)
> Most notably immigration has a huge impact on housing and the ever increasing demand for it.

Do you have any evidence at all for this claim or is this just something you made up out of thin air?

I mean, no offense, but I remember when Brexiters were claiming the same [1] earlier this year and it was quickly proven to be nonsense.

Maybe you can do a better job?

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/13/housing-mini...

Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by flukus on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @02:44AM (#17966082)
> Do you have any evidence at all for this claim or is this just something you made up out of thin air?

I need a citation for "more people == more housing demand"?

I really don't care what academics say about the cause because they're divorced from reality. The reality is that as a single, well payed software developer with no kids I'm now on the downward slope of paying off the mortgage of my small studio apartment. My father at the same age had 2 kids, a stay at home wife and was on the downward slope of paying off their 4 bedroom house with a huge yard and a pool, all on a minimum wage job.

Yet economists keep telling us how much richer this generation is.

Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by dllthomas on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @11:26AM (#17969721)
> I need a citation for "more people == more housing demand"?

"More people => more housing demand", ceteris paribus, is trivial. And ceteris is probably sufficiently paribus that it follows even in reality. But your claim wasn't "more housing demand" but "a huge impact", and we've established nothing about sizes.

Re:Americans Want to Believe Jobs Are the Solution to Povert... by toofy on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @03:15AM (#17966192)
> I need a citation for...

> I really don't care what academics say about the cause because they're divorced from reality...

I feel like this is unfair... We should be here for good faith discussions--not to set up arbitrary goalposts which it would seem are impossible to reach.