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Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift by entee on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @09:46PM (#17964988)
At this point performance cars are no longer truly exploitable on a road legally. Yeah you can do a quick acceleration at the occasional stoplight, but on pretty much no public road are you going to get to a speed that's close to the car's limit. And if you do, it'll be insanely dangerous because even though safety systems are amazing these days, your reaction time isn't any faster than it used to be and the people around you may not be as well protected.

It's useful on the track you say? Maybe, and I have no doubt I'd rather a paddle shifter for outright speed and ease. It's probably safer to learn to drive at high speed having removed one of the variables at least at first. That said, I'll never be Michael Schumacher.

Bottom line when you buy a performance car: what are you trying to do? It can't be "win" or see the limits of the car, so what is it? Clearly it's to have fun. And I think it's hard to argue that driving a stick is more fun, except perhaps in traffic. In the end I'd rather endure minor annoyance in traffic and in the city in exchange for the fun that comes elsewhere. I've put my money where my mouth is, own 2 cars, both stick.

Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift by thinkmassive on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @11:31PM (#17965370)
Acceleration is a lot more fun than velocity for most people. You can experience high acceleration (in all directions) at low speeds in a good nimble sports car, and stay completely within the spirit of the law.
Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift by mirimir on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @12:25AM (#17965545)
Second that. There's an effectively five-way intersection near me, where I need to turn left from a side road onto a state highway that's busy during the day. So I basically drift from a standing start. I shift from first to second in the middle, which shapes the drift. And at no point do I exceed the speed limit.
Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift by Theodores on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @04:02AM (#17966389)
People want that acceleration in something that is not a 'good nimble sports car', so a Porsche SUV is nearer the mark, or, a generation ago, a hot hatch.

There is a rough measure of power going on with these status symbols. Everyone would be driving Ariel Atoms and Caterham Lotus 7 cars or Mazda Miatas if 'good nimble sports car' really satisfied what was allegedly wanted.

So the 'what do you want, what are you trying to achieve' aspect of owning that fancy car that can do silly speeds has to have more to it than that thrill of acceleration. It is about where you see yourself in the world - status.

Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift by closeparen on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @04:33AM (#17966538)
Curious how it's so deeply important to the core of people's identities to loudly and proudly assert that others are enjoying things for the wrong reasons.

I may as well claim that because bicyclists are always wearing spandex and carrying helmets around, there must be more to it than the alleged enjoyment of cycling - they don't actually like riding bikes, but only want hipster-fitness lifestyle points.

Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift by coldtea on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @03:42AM (#17966299)
>At this point performance cars are no longer truly exploitable on a road legally. Yeah you can do a quick acceleration at the occasional stoplight, but on pretty much no public road are you going to get to a speed that's close to the car's limit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn

(Besides, it's not like most use them "legally" all the time)

Re:How America lost its love for the stick shift by nradov on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @12:40PM (#17970552)
This is why the low-end sports car market is slowly dying. Cars have improved so much that modern family sedans are faster than dedicated sports cars from a few decades ago.