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Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by throwawaymath on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:34PM (#17961713)
Would you say the questions that fund asked you are relevant to the work you do (or would be doing) there? I think that's the core criticism most people levy against the "high tech" interview questions.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by segmondy on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:47PM (#17961811)
People that don't get the offer tend to complain about such things. They are asking questions to measure how you think, to measure your potential, to see how you handle stress. If you are stressing over an interview, what will you do when you lose $1 million in 10 seconds?
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by emodendroket on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @02:00PM (#17961921)
Yes, people who get the job are less likely to complain about the process. I don't see that that vindicates the way it was performed.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by kanelbullar on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @02:08PM (#17961973)
If you are stressing over an interview, what will you do when you lose $1 million in 10 seconds?

Beats me - but the "skills" demonstrated in the interview process you're defending -- "suck up; just keep going online until you memorize enough canned answers to most of these dang questions; suck up, suck up, suck up" -- certainly aren't going to help.

If anything, they're basically orthogonal to the set of competencies needed to deal with that kind of a situation.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by stcredzero on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @03:36PM (#17962612)
Beats me - but the "skills" demonstrated in the interview process you're defending -- "suck up; just keep going online until you memorize enough canned answers to most of these dang questions; suck up, suck up, suck up" -- certainly aren't going to help.

Right. People who don't think of Comp Sci knowledge as a set of substantive first principles, just as meaningless tokens they need to memorize and regurgitate to get the job -- those are precisely the people who should be weeded out. Each one of those questions is not merely a chance to "collect" an arbitrary thing. It's also an opportunity to practice applying basic knowledge and techniques.

If anything, they're basically orthogonal to the set of competencies needed to deal with that kind of a situation.

You may well need to spot a deadlock or a race condition in code. You may well need to spot code that is inefficient by construction, in precisely that kind of situation.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by kanelbullar on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:04PM (#17962847)
People who don't think of Comp Sci knowledge as a set of substantive first principles, just as meaningless tokens they need to memorize and regurgitate to get the job -- those are precisely the people who should be weeded out.

And yet - those are the people who are not weeded out, but selected for by the default interview process.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by stcredzero on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:34PM (#17963116)
Certainly, there are lots of problems with interviews.

That said, the interview should be designed to specifically weed out the ones who hope to pass by regurgitation. The answer can't be just a pattern match for a particular algorithm. The emphasis shouldn't be on dazzling recall of something obscure. The purpose should be to look for actual experience implementing something.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by kanelbullar on Thursday September 13, 2018 @01:24AM (#17976267)
You may well need to spot a deadlock or a race condition in code.

The thing is - if your production system really ends up going haywire and losing $10 million every second or whatever, then then the root cause isn't some race condition. It's the whole human and organizational process (or lack thereof) that allowed that defect to slip in undetected (and in a position to cause so much damage without proper safeguards) in the first place.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by pmiller2 on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @03:43PM (#17962675)
> You may well need to spot a deadlock or a race condition in code. You may well need to spot code that is inefficient by construction, in precisely that kind of situation.

How is that relevant to the practice of "memorizing enough canned answers to most of these dang questions"?

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by stcredzero on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:27PM (#17963050)
How is that relevant to the practice of "memorizing enough canned answers to most of these dang questions"?

It's not. Instead, ask something not particular tricky, a bit open ended, and just a little bit involved (at least 3 things interacting) with the purpose of seeing if basic skills can be applied. Instead of looking for an answer that can be memorized, you're looking for evidence to see if people have actually designed, implemented, and debugged something at a level beyond gluing libraries together.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by throwawaymath on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:52PM (#17961858)
Sure I get the gist, I've heard this reasoning quite a lot and I'm not condoning or condemning it. I was specifically interested in hearing if the OP thought the math they asked him about was relevant to the math actually done on the job. In my experience, it isn't really (except insofar as it might be the same field, from a 30,000 foot view).
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by Timmah on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:52PM (#17961860)
I think it's more about measuring enthusiasm for problem solving. If you sulk and roll your eyes at a difficult math problem, what will your demeanor be like every day in the office when your job involves quant analysis?
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by emodendroket on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @02:00PM (#17961926)
I'm suspicious of any practice whose proponents offer multiple, incompatible rationales.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by s73v3r_ on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @02:24PM (#17962105)
That answer doesn't really hold up because the people coding the system aren't the ones doing the trading, and most jobs that use similar "stressful" interviews don't have anything like that anyways.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by make3 on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @02:37PM (#17962187)
that doesn't justify asking questions that are extremely poor predictors of work performance
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by sangnoir on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @05:50PM (#17963711)
> They are asking questions [...] to see how you handle stress.

I've got a time-saving suggestion - instead of asking questions, measure how long interviewee holds up while being waterboarded. If they can handle that stress, they can handle losing $100 million in 10 seconds, easy.