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Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by pinewurst on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @12:18PM (#17961092)
It's like military academy (or fraternity) hazing. You've been abused, therefore you want to pass the load of that abuse on. Maybe you delude yourself into calling it "tradition" or "high standards" or maybe you're just honest and enjoy the sadism of it all.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by wolfgke on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @12:56PM (#17961406)
> It's like military academy (or fraternity) hazing. You've been abused, therefore you want to pass the load of that abuse on.

I really cannot imagine why people have this behavior. I was often treated unfairly in life, so I try to architect systems that attempt to avoid my perceived unfairness so that the next generation does not have to suffer similarly (ideally in way for which correctness can be shown in a mathematically rigid way).

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by stvswn on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:46PM (#17963211)
I went to a military academy (and now I interview a lot at Google, too). Doing a lot of soul searching now...

But seriously, I agree with the top comment about interviewing at Google, and as far as the military academy "hazing" it's generally misunderstood. It's very, very rare for an upperclassman at my particular school to be cruel in the movie-sense, or what I think is the stereotypical fraternity-sense. More common is an institionalized set of standards for the freshmen that may seem overly tough or even arbitrary but serve several purposes: a) they give the freshman a crash course in being accountable for details, b) they give the upperclassman a crash course in enforcing accountability and holding others to high standards, and c) they create a sense of shared hardship and camaraderie. These are actually all very important lessons before a second lieutenant takes on responsibility for decisions that could mean life or death for his or her soldiers (which, in the case of my graduating class, was a reality for us as quickly as 4 months after graduation). You have to force the upperclassmen to come out of their shells and make the freshmen wear their uniform correctly, or make their bed correctly, etc. so that when they graduate they will have the courage to tell their soldiers that they really do need to inspect the vehicles, or maintain the weapons, or wear their safety gear. It takes practice to be accountable for standards on a team. It's not supposed to be about making people suffer for the fun of it, but of course there are jerks everywhere.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by Jare on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:31PM (#17961694)
Note that you can easily do both, unconsciously. Architect systems that are fair, but behave poorly in person. As a poor attempt to illustrate: imagine someone who is not mean spirited but has anger management issues - they would not necessarily build systems that favor aggression, but they might behave like that's their preference.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by throwawaymath on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:27PM (#17961663)
I think the answer is that most people are not like that, and the ones that are don't think about it from that perspective or that explicitly. All disagreeable human behavior is easy to point out and criticize in its most straightforward and uncharitable representation.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by stcredzero on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @02:52PM (#17962280)
I think the answer is that most people are not like that, and the ones that are don't think about it from that perspective or that explicitly.

That, in a nutshell, is why a lot of abnormal psychology is so very sticky. It's even worse than that, however. It's more that most people are just a tiny bit "like that," and no one thinks about it from that perspective.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @02:51PM (#17962274)
I can't speak on how solid this research was, but I remember reading a book (one of Cialdini's, I think), that explained hazing behaviour as group cohesion enhancers. Basically, what you suffer during initiation will make your bond with the group much stronger. I suppose there might be something to it, given how prevalent such practices are all around the world, in all cultures.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by rf15 on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @01:26AM (#17965760)
There's enough people out there who take this more as a hint that this is an inherently hostile environment through and through and just close themselves off forever/become closet hostile towards all members of the group
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by codr4 on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @02:52PM (#17962284)
The wheel of pain and suffering must roll on, otherwise people might get a clue and unite against their oppressors.

Or in the words of the freemasons, order through chaos.

Once hurt, few seem to have enough integrity to break the loop; so it snow balls nicely all by itself.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by adrianmonk on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @05:01PM (#17963331)
I have a pet theory that it's related to the difficulty of accepting a painful truth.

In that moment, you face a choice. Either you do the same thing that was done to you, or you don't.

If you break with tradition and avoid doing whatever it is, you will end up asking yourself why, and you'll have to answer "because it was abusive". It some cases, that thought may be too horrible to even admit into your mind, or at least it's unpleasant enough that you prefer not to deal with it.

If you go the other way and stick with tradition, then you can just do whatever it is, and you can say this happened to me, it's normal, it's part of the natural cycle of things, etc.

Also, sometimes you are blindsided by this and don't realize you're making the choice until the moment it happens, so you don't have time to mentally prepare to do the harder thing.

Point being, it's not always sadism. Sometimes it's denial.

TLDR: The corollary of "that would be abusive" is "I've been abused". It hurts to confront that possibility, so people look for ways to deny it. And the organization offers them one.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by mmirate on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @10:12AM (#17968953)
> You've been abused, therefore you want to pass the load of that abuse on. Maybe you delude yourself into calling it "tradition" or "high standards" or maybe you're just honest and enjoy the sadism of it all.

What did (or will) my successors do to deserve having an easier time than I did?

(Disclaimer: have not been to a military academy or a frat; but only to an undergrad school.)