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Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by rrggrr on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @12:11PM (#17961031)
The single most effective interview question I ask: "What do you want to do?". I drill down on that to a granulator level as I try to make sure the tasks, duties and overall position matches what the candidate really wants for themselves. Its followed-up with a "How would you do it?", again persisting in the discussion (not interrogation) until we both are comfortable with the sensibility and symmetry of the answers.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by pinewurst on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @12:45PM (#17961321)
That may be a good conversational start but I'm less certain that anyone really knows at any deep granularity what they want to do (professionally). There are a lot of roads to autonomy, mastery and purpose, and a lot of speed traps/bad exits. My current job, which I've just resigned because it became so awful, was on the surface what I wanted to do, until it changed. It would be difficult to discuss the before and after in this context, for example.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by Alterlife on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:51PM (#17961849)
Wow, I'm sorry but I think that's terrible for the candidate. You have a job description and you shared that with them. You're basically hiring the most talented bullshitter.

Very few people will know exactly what they want to do in the next few years. There is only what you as the employer need to get done and what they as an employee are willing and able to do.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by Timmah on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @02:11PM (#17962007)
Its only bulshitting if people don't want to work there. Presumably they read the description and said "that looks cool, I want to do that".

You should be able to look your employer in the eye and honestly say what you want from the job and discuss it like adults. Not dance around with a corporate-speak ritual telling them what you think they want to hear.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by s73v3r_ on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @03:08PM (#17962377)
Well, let's be honest. The vast majority of jobs are just that: jobs. They're not something that anyone particularly wants to do; they're just willing to do it because it's better than the alternative.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by wonderbear on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @12:38PM (#17961266)
I'm going to try this. The questions my team comes up with haven't been very satisfying and this seems like a good way to find out what they do know vs what they don't.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by rrggrr on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:17PM (#17961568)
I learned this from one of the best recruiters in finance. I can't take credit for it.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by eip on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:11PM (#17961517)
If you think anyone 'really' wants to build your shitty CRUD app then you are deluding yourself.

Do you 'really' love your job? Would you do it for free?

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by yAak on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @02:40PM (#17962208)
I'd build his/her CRUD app, and make sure it wasn't shitty, if I felt it had potential to be a useful product and also felt like the people I met would be good to work with/for.

I've learned the hard way that I much prefer quality of life over "sexy dev work." (...and obviously take both if I can find it.)

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by rrggrr on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:16PM (#17961561)
Ouch. So, I'm not in the software business, but either way the point of my Q&A is measure the distance between what an employee wants to during the day versus what probably needs to be done to accomplish the desired result. When the gap is big the hire/job never works out.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by eip on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:58PM (#17963314)
> what an employee wants

What I 'want' to do during the day is be a sunscreen boy for the Reef bikini team.

What I am willing to tolerate in exchange for money is considerably wider ranging.

No one 'wants' to be trapped in some corporate soul sucking nightmare for five days a week.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by biztos on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @01:39PM (#17961752)
I might not want your shitty CRUD app to exist per se, but the building of it might not be half bad, and I might learn something useful on the way and maybe even make some new friends.

It's not unreasonable to look for a job where some of it is what you'd do for free, if you didn't need the money.

Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by eip on Tuesday September 11, 2018 @04:23PM (#17963010)
There is an enormous gap between being able to tolerate working on something vs 'really' wanting to work on something.
Re:Dark Motives and Elective Use of Brainteaser Interview Qu... by noelsusman on Wednesday September 12, 2018 @12:17AM (#17965517)
Yes, I would. Probably not for 40 hours a week, but I would.