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Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by twblalock on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:01PM (#17942465)
With the tuition increases and the massive increase in housing costs, going to a public college in California costs several times what it did a few decades ago. It's a serious problem.

However, students living with professors is a terrible idea. There is already too much sexual misbehavior with weird power dynamics in academia, especially between professors and grad students, and this all happens without them living together. It would only get worse.

The real solution is to build more affordable student housing on or near campus, but that would require funds from the state government, which is unlikely to provide them.

Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by ASpring on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:16PM (#17942548)
Absolutely agree with your points. Especially given some of the recent high profile settlements regarding sexual misconduct at UCSC these emails seem poorly thought out.

> The real solution is to build more affordable student housing on or near campus, but that would require funds from the state government, which is unlikely to provide them. Within the UC, all the housing must be self-funded; it needs to make enough money from residential payments over its lifetime to cover construction/maintenance/services.

With UCSC in the bay area, construction is incredibly expensive. This means that the campus literally cannot build affordable housing for students. They are currently building a 3000 space complex (currently held up by NIMBYism, but that's another topic) and the "cheapest" they can build for graduate students is around $1200 per month for a bedroom in a 4 bedroom apartment. Given that the graduate students are being paid ~$2000 a month this isn't a great situation.

UCSC is really in a bad spot. Either the state needs to stop mandating blanket enrollment increases across all campuses or it needs to step in and force Santa Cruz to build.

Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by pjscott on Saturday September 08, 2018 @07:20PM (#17943357)
My grandfather, a chemistry professor, used to lend out his basement to any of his grad students who had no place to stay. His experience was entirely positive! They were nice people, and it was good to have a new friend in the house.

Students living with professors isn't necessarily a terrible idea.

Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by mylampisawesome on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:09PM (#17942502)
Local residents’ objections to new housing often stymie new development, and Santa Cruz is running into the same problem. The university is years away from building a planned 3,000 campus housing unit, but thousands of local residents have already signed a petition to stop the development, notes Curbed San Francisco.

Not only funds, but it would require a shift in the attitude of the locals towards such buildings.

Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by siruncledrew on Saturday September 08, 2018 @05:36PM (#17942905)
Yea, this is for sure an absolutely awful idea and I can’t imagine who would possibly give this the ‘OK’. This has to be breaking all sorts of university guidelines and policies. UCSC stands to lose more in lawsuits than they have to gain here. Not to mention this seems counterproductive to student safety and wellbeing.
Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by noobermin on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:10PM (#17942510)
It's kind of upsetting the first thing you think about is sexual assault. If they can't be trusted to share houses with students to they point that they'd assault them, they probably shouldn't teach them.
Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by twblalock on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:19PM (#17942564)
Sexual assault is only one of the many kinds of sexual misbehavior that happens at universities. Even consensual relationships between students and professors are problematic. There are a lot of degrees of sexual misconduct between consensual relationships and physical assault to worry about.
Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by noobermin on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:22PM (#17942578)
Do people who lease out their homes on airbnb regularly assault the tenants? Do they regularly have consensual relationships with them? I'm aware they may be an issue, but it certainly hasn't been as much an issue that it made the headlines, the most common issue I read about is airbnb raising the ire of neighbors and local governments.

You're making the argument that there is something inherent in professors that makes it more likely they will engage in sexual relations with people, which is problematic and strange.

Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by alex_anglin on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:34PM (#17942632)
There is a risk that professors can be exposed to allegations of impropriety as a result of housing students. The university does not bear this risk for that. Nobody is justifying assault or improper relationships, but the point is that the universities solution to the housing problem in Santa Cruz has a number of complications that seem not to have been addressed.

Perhaps a better solution would be to reduce the student population and university size to what the local housing market and community could support, given opposition to construction of student housing. Obviously they’d need to eat humble pie for that to happen, which is why it’s not being discussed.

Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by twblalock on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:25PM (#17942590)
> You're making the argument that there is something inherent in professors that makes it more likely they will engage in sexual relations with people, which is problematic and strange.

We know for a fact that it happens, and there have been recent sex scandals at the UC Santa Cruz, the university mentioned in the article. This is not a weird or unsubstantiated concern. And I never said there was something inherent to professors that causes it.

Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by mwfunk on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:31PM (#17942615)
The much broader and more general problem is anything that could stem from a lack of appropriate boundaries between faculty and students. Sexual assault is just a worst case scenario in that category of problems. You are of course correct that someone who would do such a thing shouldn’t be teaching, but it’s much more reliable and pragmatic to simply have reasonable rules and boundaries than it is to determine with 100% accuracy what people are capable of. Not just to prevent the possibility of sex scandals, but to prevent the entire category of problems from being more of an issue than it already is.
Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by patient_zero on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:35PM (#17942636)
The problem with your argument is you're conflating sexual misbehaviour (what OP said) with sexual assault. These are two fundamentally different things. If you take the time to consider some hypotheticals of a situation where beautiful young people are shacking up with someone (a significant level of closeness) I think you can see the problem.
Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by noobermin on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:58PM (#17942751)
How many "beautiful young people" want to have sex with 50 year old professors? If you think I'm crass stating it like that, then why did you have to bring up "beautiful young people" as some argument?

I'm actually tired of this discussion. My entire point is it's a red herring that distracts from the issues around housing.

Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by twblalock on Saturday September 08, 2018 @05:04PM (#17942774)
> How many "beautiful young people" want to have sex with 50 year old professors? If you think I'm crass stating it like that, then why did you have to bring up "beautiful young people" as some argument?

Probably not that many (although it happens in grad school all the time), but let's invert the question: How many 50-year-old professors want to have sex with beautiful young people?

> I'm actually tired of this discussion. My entire point is it's a red herring that distracts from the issues around housing.

But it's not a red herring. It's a very real concern, and we know it's real because sexual misbehavior already happens between students and professors, including at UCSC! Do you honestly believe that it would not increase in prevalence if students and professors started living together?

Re:UC Santa Cruz asks professors to house students by ASpring on Saturday September 08, 2018 @04:17PM (#17942557)
If only it were that easy to rid of predatory faculty members.