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Re:Beyond Spotify and iZettle: How Sweden became Europe’s ca... by rightbyte on Saturday September 08, 2018 @10:00AM (#17940830)
The wage statistics in e.g. Sweden is after a 31.43% "federal" (royal?) pay-roll tax is deducted.

BLS, US median for programmers:

82 240 USD/y

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...

Engineering Union, Sweden, median for union programmers:

61 416 USD/y, as reported.

80 719 USD/y, including payroll tax.

I believe other European countries could report data in a similar manner. The employer cost is similar.

Re:Beyond Spotify and iZettle: How Sweden became Europe’s ca... by isodude on Saturday September 08, 2018 @11:34AM (#17941242)
There's really no point in climbing over 60k/y in Sweden since you start to pay upwards 50% tax on that. Perks are also taxed, so better condition/more vacation is better way of "raising" the salary.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Sweden

Re:Beyond Spotify and iZettle: How Sweden became Europe’s ca... by Areading314 on Saturday September 08, 2018 @03:13PM (#17942280)
I don't think computer programmers is the right search term, you want the entry for software developers:

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...

103 560 USD/y

about 25% higher than swedish pre-tax and taxes are a lot lower in most of the US

US gdp per capita ppp is 54k vs. 37k for EU, so 45% higher, its unsurprising salaries are higher

Re:Beyond Spotify and iZettle: How Sweden became Europe’s ca... by rightbyte on Saturday September 08, 2018 @05:03PM (#17942769)
Oh, well my calculations are off by 25% then and my point kinda invalid.

Never heard about a distincion between a developer and programmer. Seems to be a distinct BLS category.

Re:Beyond Spotify and iZettle: How Sweden became Europe’s ca... by 0xfaded on Saturday September 08, 2018 @10:07AM (#17940870)
Only anecdotal, but $60k at a startup in Denmark is not uncommon.
Re:Beyond Spotify and iZettle: How Sweden became Europe’s ca... by rightbyte on Saturday September 08, 2018 @10:39AM (#17940998)
If we assume Danish wages are similar to Swedish, the $60k bracket should be the most common, actually.

I don't really trust these fantastic Silicon Valley wage statistics. There seems to be bad coverage over a wide range of companies, and it mostly seems to be self-reported in a non-organized way.

BLS collects a wider range of statistics than PayScale or what not the HR departments are spamming with good reviews and salaries.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/silicon-valley-salaries...

To even base an article on those numbers is borderline fraud.

For "San Francisco-Redwood City-South San Francisco, CA Metropolitan Division" BLS reports $106k mean wage for programmers.

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151131.htm

Swedish Engineering union reports mean wage:

69 543 USD/y in Stockholm

91 400 USD/y including payroll tax.

So the difference is 1.1k USD more a month for the median Bay-area programmer compared to Stockholm in employer cost. It's not really raining VC money over the SF area programmers compared to e.g. Stockholm, where there is more or less none VC money.