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Re:Is Automation Really to Blame for Lost Manufacturing Jobs? by stormbrew on Friday September 07, 2018 @01:21PM (#17936016)
I didn't see a value judgement in GP's post, more a highlighting of the conflict between structuring corporations around maximizing shareholder value on one hand and society placing life or death value on full employment on the other.

Where you land on how that conflict should resolve is going to depend on your views.

Re:Is Automation Really to Blame for Lost Manufacturing Jobs? by airstrike on Friday September 07, 2018 @01:46PM (#17936204)
Full employment is not a goal. Our society's goal is to ensure people have access to goods and services. Unfortunately, that's hard to optimize for, so we optimize for full employment as a proxy.
Re:Is Automation Really to Blame for Lost Manufacturing Jobs? by 394549 on Friday September 07, 2018 @02:00PM (#17936322)
> Full employment is not a goal. Our society's goal is to ensure people have access to goods and services. Unfortunately, that's hard to optimize for, so we optimize for full employment as a proxy.

I disagree, at least if democracy is also a goal. Full employment gives individual citizens economic power to go with their political power. Merely "ensur[ing] people have access to goods and services" turns them into economically disempowered dependents.

Re:Is Automation Really to Blame for Lost Manufacturing Jobs? by philipkglass on Friday September 07, 2018 @02:37PM (#17936619)
In the USA, the 65-and-over age group appears to have significantly more political power than the 18-to-24 age group, even though the latter group is much more likely to be employed. The explanation seems straightforward: older people vote at significantly higher rates than young people. In fact the economic dependency of older people seems to be a rallying cry for considering their interests; both parties will invoke "grandmothers living on fixed incomes" when they want to promote or oppose some broader policy.
Re:Is Automation Really to Blame for Lost Manufacturing Jobs? by pixl97 on Saturday September 08, 2018 @11:48AM (#17941342)
Eh, you're incorrectly doing a temporal shift here....

The older group were workers. They earned income. They invested it, and now are attempting to maintain control of their investments with the last power they have, voting.

Those same young people that have jobs now, that put it in retirement, will be the old people investing in the future.