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Re:How the EU may force all artists to use Youtube forever by Barrin92 on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @07:21PM (#17922685)
Is there any significant competitor to youtube in the American market?

This is not the reason for lack of innovation. If that was the case, China would have not moved up the ranks with a legal environment that makes this law look like nothing. The reason why nobody competes with youtube is because youtube is big because of platform and network effects, so the distribution of users basically looks like a power law distribution.

The only way to compete is actually to move towards a closed internet. Shut Youtube down in Europe and build a national champion that provides the same service. It's fine to defend the open internet, but it's got nothing to do with innovation. Europe lacks in this regard for very different reasons, among them non-existent of VC funding and no concentrated knowledge networks. Europe has no Silicon Valley. The Silicon (semi-conductor) part of that name being vital.

Re:How the EU may force all artists to use Youtube forever by pedro_hab on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @07:55PM (#17922873)
Scott (from the video [1]) says the same thing, Europe added regulations because it was getting all the tech downside without the upside, and should close down the market and create local alternatives.

I don't know if copying China is a great move for innovation though.

The EU would have to become much more powerful to be able to do that, which is scary to me seeing what happens in China.

I think you are right, maybe they should look into creating a tech hub somewhere in Europe, maybe reduce taxes or regulations there, but who knows.

Re:How the EU may force all artists to use Youtube forever by nyxtom on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @07:31PM (#17922741)
Vimeo used to be pretty popular
Re:How the EU may force all artists to use Youtube forever by Barrin92 on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @07:49PM (#17922846)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/266201/us-market-share-o...

here's a comparison of the platforms. Vimeo has shrunk to less than 1% and Youtube captures the lion share of the market.

Re:How the EU may force all artists to use Youtube forever by gregknicholson on Thursday September 06, 2018 @02:37AM (#17924302)
The network effect isn't very relevant for video sites, because you can easily use a search engine to find videos across many sites all at once.

Hey, I wonder which search engine 90% of people use…

Re:How the EU may force all artists to use Youtube forever by jplayer01 on Friday September 07, 2018 @03:31AM (#17932496)
That’s assuming most people use google to find videos to watch. It’s much more likely that through network effects, people arrive at YouTube through YT links given to them by friends and acquaintances, then they stay on YT. Looking through my WhatsApp groups, that’s entirely likely. Or people by default go to YT because that’s what they know, they’re already part of the YT community, they already have an account there, etc.
Re:How the EU may force all artists to use Youtube forever by jononor on Thursday September 06, 2018 @06:58AM (#17925292)
Wonder which video that search engine chooses to promote...
Re:How the EU may force all artists to use Youtube forever by quxbar on Thursday September 06, 2018 @09:25AM (#17926040)
when I'm looking up not-available-in-the-USA episodes of The Great British Bake Off? Usually Dailymotion, which even has chromecast pretty well integrated with their player.
Re:How the EU may force all artists to use Youtube forever by gregknicholson on Friday September 07, 2018 @09:52AM (#17934204)
This is a good point. Even if you escape YouTube (which isn't quite a monopoly by itself) you'll still end up running into some other tentacle of the Google-kraken: Chromecast is Google's proprietary video transmission protocol.
Re:How the EU may force all artists to use Youtube forever by quxbar on Friday September 07, 2018 @10:10PM (#17939007)
Right, and they happily transmit pirate video to my TV as long as it isn't hosted by YouTube, because it's not like I was going to BUY all of those seasons - it's strictly better for their bottom line if I buy the chromecast and pirate.
Re:How the EU may force all artists to use Youtube forever by Eridrus on Thursday September 06, 2018 @12:19AM (#17923836)
Twitch is a thing, and has had issues with copyright filtering of live atreams as recently as a few weeks ago.