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Re:Google Dataset Search by heinrichhartman on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @03:44PM (#17921259)
The state of data sharing seems to be still quite sad.

* Hosting problems. The first link I tried was already broken.

* Format problems. Also the presented data is in all kinds of formats, some "data sets" even require me to read data off images: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/germany/gdp-per-capita And even if it's JSON, this is not particularly great either (Unicode support? Large (64bit) integers?).

* Update problems. Many data-sets change over time (e.g. GDP). How can I subscribe to updates? "git pull" would be nice.

* Provenance problems. I want to know who put which record into the dataset, when and why? "git log" would be nice.

* Presentation problems. (This is OK sometimes) I necessarily want to download 5Gb file before I looked into it. The first few rows of the dataset should be presented on the page, with information about it.

Wrote down a few more thoughts a while ago here: https://github.com/HeinrichHartmann/data-sharing#in-the-idea...

Approaches I have seen so far in the wild:

* figshare.com -- Addresses Hosting and Presentation.

* https://quiltdata.com/ -- (!) looks great. Still exploring.

* github.com -- works fine for small datasets (<1GB)

* packaging (yum, pkg, pip) -- (?) Not sure if that works, but at least they solve: Hosting, Update, Provenance.

This seems to be a wide open problem to me.

Re:Google Dataset Search by rufuspollock on Thursday September 06, 2018 @08:53AM (#17925844)
Yes, state is still mediocre. Back in 2011 i did Chaos Computer Congress talk on "apt-get for Debian of Data". This itself came out of building the original data portal and open data catalog/hosting site in 2006 https://datahub.io/ (originally ckan.net).

The ideas there are now getting realised in Frictionless Data https://frictionlessdata.io/

This an initiative providing a simple way of "packaging" data like software plus an ecosystem of tools including a package manager etc - https://frictionlessdata.io/data-packages/.

Aims to be minimal, easy to adopt etc (e.g. based on CSV). It has got significant traction with integration and adoption into Pandas, OpenRefine etc.

https://datahub.io/ itself is entirely rebuilt around Data Packages and includes a package manager tool "data".

If you're interested to talk more please come chat on http://gitter.im/datahubio/chat

Re:Google Dataset Search by dandare on Thursday September 06, 2018 @09:11AM (#17925959)
Shameless plug. Please give me feedback.

https://us.wikibudgets.org/w/united-states-budget-2016

I would like to create laymen oriented central repository for all public spending data of the world.

* Hosting problems - I make my own copy of the data.

* Format problems - clearing and formatting data from different sources is a real pain. Once it is on my website, I offer CSV download or COPY/PASTE tabulated data.

* Update problems - no versioning or public API yet.

* Provenance problems - there is a link to the source of the data.

* Presentation problems - tailored to displaying budgets. Not cross-browser or full mobile support yet.

Re:Google Dataset Search by rxdazn on Thursday September 06, 2018 @07:36AM (#17925485)
Open Data portals powered by OpenDataSoft let you see/sort/filter/visualize data in your browser. You can access the data via API (including sorting/filtering) or download static files (CSV/JSON/XLS etc.).

I haven't seen many other platforms offer the same kind of functionality.

e.g This one is a dataset of CCTVs across Leicester. You can easily see all of the columns, sort data around, display a chart of camera types, see their location on a map etc.

https://data.opendatasoft.com/explore/dataset/cctv-cameras%4...

Screenshots: https://postimg.cc/gallery/j5e5thv2/

A few portals powered by them:

- Paris https://opendata.paris.fr/explore/

- Mannheim https://mannheim.opendatasoft.com/page/home/

- Durham NC https://opendurham.nc.gov/pages/home/

disclaimer: I was an intern there 4 years ago

Re:Google Dataset Search by rgardaphe on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:09PM (#17921486)
Totally agree! At Qri (https://qri.io) we're working on many of these problems together - hosting, formatting (interoperability), provenance and sync. It's an open source project - we'd love to have your feedback as we design it!
Re:Google Dataset Search by sixdimensional on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:17PM (#17921546)
This is cool and is a perfect case for IPFS for public datasets. I've not heard of it before, though, and I think naming / branding is something that makes finding these things / building momentum more difficult.

For example, someone else mentioned engima.com. I would have no idea that is related to data sources / sets unless I knew what it was.

Certainly wish you the best of luck though and will keep an eye on Qri! Cool project!

Re:Google Dataset Search by rgardaphe on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:51PM (#17921800)
Thanks! you can follow us on twitter where we announce most updates: @qri_io
Re:Google Dataset Search by heinrichhartman on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:20PM (#17921569)
That looks interesting. IPFS backed -- nice.

A web interface would be nice so that I don't have to install a tool to browse the content. Going to give it a shot non-theless.

Re:Google Dataset Search by heinrichhartman on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:27PM (#17921619)
Hmm: "Qri backend is unavailable". Going to come back tomorrow.
Re:Google Dataset Search by ramfox on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @05:00PM (#17921864)
Hey! thanks for checking us out. If you are still having trouble, please head over to our github (http://www.github.com/qri-io/frontend) and I'd be happy to help out.

You would be doing us a huge solid, working through these use cases irl is beyond helpful.

Re:Google Dataset Search by sixdimensional on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:14PM (#17921526)
I agree and I have an idea for one possible solution that I've wanted to implement for years. It could be a business but, I think maybe it would be better for the world if it was open source. I just haven't had the time or support to do it, as it would need full-time effort even to get it started.

It's one of those... I know I should just do it kind of things, even just to get it out there, but I haven't found the inertia.

Seeing things like dat, quiltdata, public data sets, etc. made me think what I wanted to do was unnecessary, but I also agree with your comment.

I think a core problem is data democracy / control / politics of data. Too much we still act silo'ed instead of benefiting from massive data sharing, for a multitude of reasons (especially but not limited to $$$).