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Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by salt-licker on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @01:30PM (#17920143)
Overfunding is an existential risk for startups. Scaling a team before finding PMF seems like a blunder in most circumstances.

Instead of setting your best engineers to work creating the best product, they're busy recruiting and dealing with company growing pains from the get-go. The mythical man-month and scarcity of great people combine to diminish your returns on this hiring. Furthermore, battleships don't turn on a dime, and you may be hiring a lot of irrelevant expertise if you have to pivot later. This is why Stripe took 6 months to hire its first 2 people.

Furthermore, huge funding means investors are looking for a huge returns. A $1b sale is now failure?? My gut says this "go big or go bankrupt" pressure encourages tunnel vision among leadership rather than innovation.

Essential Products was overfunded in late 2015 and is already up for sale. I think Magic Leap and Desktop Metal will end up as similar cautionary tales.

I see good arguments for overfunding if (1) there's huge capital costs for development and high probability of large exit regardless of technology success (e.g. biotech) or (2) you're trying to capture a market with a strong network effect. The second case seems dangerous though, e.g. is Uber's popularity really a moat? What if they had spent their billions on developing a product with a real technological advantage instead of scaling to the world first?

As a huge fan of his book, I'm sad to see Steve Blank largely ignore these ideas in his article.

Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by vkou on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @01:36PM (#17920210)
> Furthermore, huge funding means investors are looking for a huge returns. A $1b sale is now failure?? My gut says this "go big or go bankrupt" pressure encourages tunnel vision among leadership rather than innovation.

If you don't take the money, they will go to your competitor, and give it to them instead.

If you're in a space where you can be killed by your competitor selling $1 for 90 cents, that will kill you just as dead.

It doesn't matter if Uber's popularity is a 'real' moat or not, as long as its a moat big enough to drown you.

Sure, a few years later, said competitor will make an announcement on their website about the conclusion of their 'magical journey', but that's not going to matter to you, is it?

Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by salt-licker on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @01:50PM (#17920353)
Good point, I forgot to mention that "race to IPO and cash out" is a viable business strategy, though a sad product strategy. See A123 Systems, Desktop Metal's founder's previous company that went bankrupt. Also the Energous story: https://liesandstartuppr.blogspot.com/2016/04/those-other-gu...
Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by WalterSear on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @02:50PM (#17920855)
>If you don't take the money, they will go to your competitor, and give it to them instead.

Your competitor is getting funded whether you take the money or not. A failure to have planned for this is a de facto plan to drink the cool-aid.

Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by trhway on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:04PM (#17921434)
current business model - $50M (pretty lean by today standards) VC investment with ratchet (it is the key element here) to $150M, do something SaaS-y and hire 50-100 people, in a 1-2 years if it isn't becoming a unicorn then sell it at least for $150M+ (a crowd of 50-100 engineers plus whatever they spent these 1-2 years on) to one of a BigCo with FOMO syndrome wrt. latest tech trend. Tripling money in 1-2 years is not a failure, it is more like SV equivalent of break-even, and it keeps you in the game of unicorn hunting.
Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by cloverich on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @09:56PM (#17923383)
Relatedly, and I don't know if this is actually valuable, but if you build a strong engineering or product team, I could see that itself being a valuable asset (not unicorn valuable, but perhaps recoup some or all investments valuable). Esp. selling to a company that does have products but not enough talent. Not the hand I'd want to play, but maybe its a thing people do?
Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by InclinedPlane on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @11:31PM (#17923696)
Don't forget the acquihire aspect as well as BigCo FOMO.
Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by mjfern on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @02:52PM (#17920869)
Did you read the article? Blank is saying that the lean approach is still highly relevant unless you have a huge amount of risk capital available to essentially throw away on mistakes.
Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by salt-licker on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @05:12PM (#17921971)
I don’t disagree with the article, I believe Blank accurately describes the current vc mindset. I just think he missed an opportunity to point out its pitfalls and in doing so implicitly endorsed overfunding.

My argument is that even as a vc with unlimited funds, overfunding a startup may be suboptimal. You paradoxically decrease its probability of success by misaligning the startup leadership’s incentives at a crucial pre product-market fit development stage.

Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by Bob95120 on Friday September 07, 2018 @11:14PM (#17939196)
Steve Blank basically spent the whole article destroying Lean startup and dropped in the conclusion that it's still relevant to avoid rubbing Eric Ries the wrong way.
Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by Bob95120 on Friday September 07, 2018 @11:08PM (#17939175)
Good point. I actually wrote a reply to his Medium article here: https://bit.ly/2CxeT9z

His article is for 1% of entrepreneurs. For 99%, lean startups still works. And let's not act like investors spray and pray that they hit a unicorn. Of course it's good for their track record, but it's not like they don't ask questions before investing when you have the track record of Jeff Katzenberg.

There are a lot of MVPs out there to know the Netflix for mobile will work. Lean startup never said that the MVP had to be your own. Read my Medium article, I develop on the subject : https://bit.ly/2CxeT9z

Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by vivekd on Thursday September 06, 2018 @09:36PM (#17931256)
Combating overfunding seems difficult to do. I imagine VC type companies are ones that experience rapid uncontrolled growth. So how do you limit investors in that situation without running the risk of a future scenario where you run out of capital? Do you set up a waiting list of funders that you can take money from as you need it?

Limiting and controlling growth seems like a difficult and dangerous proposition, particularly in an environment where there are competitors just waiting to perfect the idea and take it to market before you.

Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by jasonm23 on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:32PM (#17921651)
Could you define PMF for me please?
Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by keerthiko on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:34PM (#17921663)
I'm assuming we're referring to product-market-fit in this context (not some stats jargon)
Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by jasonm23 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @08:36PM (#17983906)
Thank you, appreciated.
Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by anujabro on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @10:44PM (#17923561)
PMF is when the startup has i) identified which users are desperate for the product, ii) made a product that customers can’t get enough of (demand feels exponential), and iii) found a business model that works

https://a16z.com/2017/02/18/12-things-about-product-market-f...

Re:Is the Lean Startup Dead? by jasonm23 on Thursday September 13, 2018 @08:36PM (#17983907)
Thank you.