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Re:Mastodon and the challenges of abuse in a federated system by naasking on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @07:35PM (#17913798)
> You're missing the point, you're ignoring on whether or not he's actually been punished prior. If he had already been punished by "mob justice" (which you've ill-defined), then this is double-dipping.

That's irrelevant. Given Gunn endorses mob justice, then the mob decides what is and isn't right. That's what mob justice means. The number of times you've been punished is immaterial. My personal satisfaction in this outcome is immaterial. How much you've suffered is immaterial. The mob decides what you deserve.

Further, people being judged according to how they judge others is the definition of logical consistency. To do otherwise would be special pleading.

> Is that mob justice? I mean, what isn't mob justice according to you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlocracy

Throngs of people driven by emotional motives rather than rational consideration of the facts and the context of any given scenario. No recognition of people's fallibility. No formal system recognizing the rights of both perpetrators and victims. Dehumanization of perpetrators. These are all characteristic of mob justice.

The rise of doxxing, shaming culture, and so on are virtually all forms of mob justice, and it's frankly abhorrent.

> And if the advertisers would have pulled from the show? And what if they just don't want her there for her views. And there are plenty of times where there's no cost and things get denied or cancelled. These decisions are never purely financial.

Those are all purely financial motivations. Advertisers pull from the show because the bad PR may affect sales. They don't want her there for the same reasons. It's frankly bizarre that you think there's any other motivation here, particularly for big corporations that are effectively amoral.

Re:Mastodon and the challenges of abuse in a federated system by bena on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @09:05AM (#17917498)
So if the motivations are financial, then it isn't mob justice. It's just financial reasons. If they put on 22 minutes of someone taking a shit, people wouldn't watch that either. It would also get pulled. That's not mob justice.

Also, I started with financial reasons then said that even after those, there are reasons things get pulled that aren't financial. And no decision exists in a vacuum. New studio head, expect cancellations of shows that are otherwise doing well. Expect shows that were about to be in production get scrapped for the new head's pet project. To say that everything is purely financial is not only ignoring that people are not rational actors, but undercuts your point about mob justice.

Or makes everything mob justice. Taco Bell removes your favorite item due to poor sales: mob justice.

You are also saying that ABC was both driven by emotional motives and that it was solely a financial move. It can't be both.

And yes, people can be fallible. Sometimes they need a stern reprimand in order to reform. And when several of those stern reprimands don't work and you continue tweeting crazy conspiracy theories and borderline racist things, you get fired.

It's funny that you believe the Barr thing was a single, isolated incident. Just say what you want to say: That you're glad that that leftist cuck got fired because fuck PC culture.